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the smoke radio

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for the masses headline additionally

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the army air force's has announced that

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a flying bist has been found

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and is now in the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged

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change the game game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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from outside this world

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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kgra

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i need your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fate to flag with

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payton black

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masses uh yeah man how you doing today

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is monday

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monday october 26 2020 300 days into the

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we are live from a bunker

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a bunker that is somewhere in the middle

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of beautiful downtown burbank california

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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far and near this is spade to black for

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kjcr the game changer network and kgra

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the planets i am your host jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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how you doing all right

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we made it and tonight

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tonight we have very special guests

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coming back to the show

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and continuing our haunted rocktober

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randy williams is here we're going to be

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talking about jack the ripper

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looking forward to this tomorrow night

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joshua p warren joshua

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p warren is here he's going to be

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that's tomorrow night wednesday night is

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and we're going to shift things up and

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it will be fader night of course

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uh with your phone calls but it's going

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your favorite ghost stories and

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i've got about a hundred books that i

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so we will be giving away a book

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to all of the calls that tell us a ghost

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that's right and that's going to be

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then thursday that's why we shifted

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fader night to wednesday because

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thursday it's shaw the loon

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witch that's right our seventh

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seven straight years of shot the loon

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shah the loon witch i'm so looking

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friday night october 30th i will be down

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to spend a haunted weekend

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with the queen i'm going to be there of

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with the team right there virtual you'll

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watch everything as it goes down on the

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they've got music banned celebrities and

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it's really that simple head over get

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down what a busy week for us then of

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so yeah pretty busy week uh for this

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all right now uh again everybody wants

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their own crystal skull and if you were

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to say what but of a very specific

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there's a new skull headed my way yeah

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little baby einstein really cool really

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all right now if you want yours you need

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to resonate

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right go over to einstein the

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crystalskull.com the banners are at

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head over look through her her stuff

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with you whether it's your first crystal

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carolyn ford has got the best and again

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there are some of you out there that saw

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it was just cool for me and uh go and

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now okay all right let's get this show

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you can do that at j church radio start

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that it's really cool we have two chat

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vaccine

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are getting a placebo or a dummy shot

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now how do you volunteer

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how do you do that

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or is it your parents signing you up

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man just you know i i guess it's got to

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be done right

292
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but it's just weird to see it in print

293
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it's even weird to read that news to you

294
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let's get this show cracking

295
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happy birthday to today the one and only

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seth macfarlane today is 47

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and there is still no word yet about the

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orville

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season 3. rumor has it it's going to be

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on hulu it's left to fox

301
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that's right that's all i got carrie

302
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elways

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today is 58 of course the princess bride

304
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rita wilson today is 54.

305
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she's the wife of somebody famous but

306
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she was also great in his film

307
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that thing you do bootsy collins today

308
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is 69 and natalie merchant

309
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today is 57. bootsy collins ain't 69 by

310
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no bootsy collins if i go back

311
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if i go back to 1976

312
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1978 parliament funkadelic flashlight

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bootsy collins was 69 back then

314
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that was that was 45 years ago

315
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bootsy collins is 69. our dead guy's

316
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birthday today is

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al casey al 1936 to 2006 died at the age

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of 69

319
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al was one of the greatest guitarists in

320
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history

321
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he wrote ramrod for dwayne eddy

322
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but he was also part of the wrecking

323
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crew here in los angeles

324
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playing on everything you ever heard on

325
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the radio at that time including

326
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the beach boys phil spector elvis

327
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presley glenn campbell

328
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the association the monkeys johnny cash

329
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eddie arnold simon agarfunkel the fifth

330
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dimension

331
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harry nielsen the partridge family and

332
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both sinatra's yeah frank

333
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and nancy al died september 17

334
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2006 in phoenix arizona

335
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happy birthday al casey on this day in

336
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history

337
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otd 1881.

338
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yeah it went down the erp brothers face

339
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off against the clanton mcclary gang

340
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in a legendary shootout at the o.k

341
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corral

342
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in tombstone arizona

343
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fader fact all right here you go

344
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here you go i know you're waiting here

345
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it is

346
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baskin robbins baskin robbins

347
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used to have the chocolate oreo

348
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milkshake

349
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now listen it contained

350
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2 600 calories

351
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1 000 700 milligrams

352
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of sodium 135

353
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grams of fat and 263

354
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seriously uh it was discontinued

355
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263 grams of

356
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sugar i don't even i mean how bad i mean

357
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how could you imagine

358
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just a big cup of sugar and a spoon and

359
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you're just

360
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shoveling 263

361
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grams of sugar yeah

362
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there you go that's your fader fact

363
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tonight very special guest and

364
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continuing our haunted rocktober

365
00:19:05,430 --> 00:19:04,080
randy williams is here really looking

366
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forward to this conversation about jack

367
00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:06,160
the ripper

368
00:19:10,390 --> 00:19:09,360
and how it could have been solved it may

369
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have been

370
00:19:13,590 --> 00:19:12,160
we're going to talk about all of that

371
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tonight tomorrow night

372
00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:16,080
joshua p warren joins us with all of his

373
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favorite ghost stories

374
00:19:21,029 --> 00:19:20,000
and wednesday night is fader night with

375
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you telling us

376
00:19:24,150 --> 00:19:22,640
your favorite ghost stories and i'm

377
00:19:27,750 --> 00:19:24,160
going to be giving away

378
00:19:29,110 --> 00:19:27,760
a big stack of books all you have to do

379
00:19:32,310 --> 00:19:29,120
is have a ghost story

380
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okay all right is that a deal deal

381
00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:36,160
then thursday it is shaw the loon witch

382
00:19:42,789 --> 00:19:39,360
our seventh annual shaw

383
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halloween special seven straight years

384
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of the loon witch and all of that goes

385
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down thursday night

386
00:19:48,950 --> 00:19:48,320
friday night i'm down at the queen mary

387
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that's right

388
00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:51,360
saturday night is halloween all right

389
00:20:01,110 --> 00:19:59,390
oh my goodness gracious

390
00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:01,120
rivermooncoffee.com

391
00:20:09,029 --> 00:20:04,240
promo code f2b blend 15

392
00:20:12,149 --> 00:20:10,950
how much sugar is in a slurpee i don't

393
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:12,159
know ipd

394
00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:15,360
why don't you pop it up there in twitter

395
00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:18,400
do i look like a walking pillar of

396
00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:21,840
sugar knowledge come on

397
00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:25,360
man you're supposed to post it

398
00:20:29,830 --> 00:20:28,480
post it i dare you large slurpee the big

399
00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:29,840
one

400
00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:33,200
16 inch straw

401
00:20:35,909 --> 00:20:34,640
you get the other straws they're too

402
00:20:37,350 --> 00:20:35,919
short right and you got that much

403
00:20:39,510 --> 00:20:37,360
slurpee left in the bot

404
00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:39,520
you know how would i know these things

405
00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:40,720
right oh

406
00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:43,760
i do but yeah the big slurpee how much

407
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:44,960
sugar isn't that

408
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:48,159
i bet it's not as much there's a lot of

409
00:20:53,270 --> 00:20:49,840
ice in the slurpee

410
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:53,280
all right river moon coffee.com fade to

411
00:21:00,830 --> 00:20:54,480
black blind it's

412
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:07,630
aight in a recent survey

413
00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:10,070
2172 responded

414
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:13,679
to psyctests paranormal beliefs test

415
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:17,520
and here are some of the results and yes

416
00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:21,200
it is very interesting number one

417
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:24,880
26 percent said they personally had

418
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:28,400
an encounter with a ghost

419
00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:32,640
number two 16 said they had experienced

420
00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:35,760
poltergeist activity

421
00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:39,120
number three 12 said they had either

422
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:40,640
seen or spoken to

423
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:44,640
an angel or spiritual guide

424
00:21:49,870 --> 00:21:48,000
directly number four

425
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:49,880
seven percent said that they had

426
00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:51,679
extraterrestrial encounters

427
00:21:57,750 --> 00:21:54,960
and or ufo sightings 11

428
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:57,760
people directly responded and said that

429
00:22:02,789 --> 00:21:58,000
they

430
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:02,799
had actually been abducted by aliens

431
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:05,840
number five five percent of respondents

432
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:07,120
said that they had seen

433
00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:10,880
mythical creatures like bigfoot

434
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:14,320
and number six 49

435
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:17,440
of respondents performed superstitious

436
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:20,720
rituals on a regular basis like throwing

437
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:23,039
salt over their shoulder after spilling

438
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:24,240
some or

439
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:29,360
refusing to travel on friday the 13th

440
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:32,880
now the most recent ufo survey

441
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:35,600
by gallup polls and released in

442
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:38,400
september of 2019

443
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:42,080
revealed the following statistics

444
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:44,960
number one two-thirds of americans

445
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:46,880
believe the federal government knows

446
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:47,440
more than

447
00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:51,760
it is saying about ufos or e.t with 68

448
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:55,120
saying yes and 29 saying no

449
00:23:00,630 --> 00:22:58,240
of those who answered yes about half

450
00:23:01,830 --> 00:23:00,640
also said they believe the government is

451
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:01,840
hiding information

452
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:06,080
about alien space landings

453
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:09,440
number two 33 percent

454
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:12,000
said they believe an alien spacecraft

455
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:12,480
has

456
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:15,520
visited earth at some point

457
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:19,280
number three 60 were skeptical about

458
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:22,720
every ufo sighting saying that they can

459
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:25,200
be explained by human activity

460
00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:28,880
or natural phenomenon

461
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:32,799
more on that in just a bit number four

462
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:34,320
sixteen percent said they have

463
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,000
personally witnessed something

464
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:38,640
they thought was a ufo while the

465
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:39,600
majority

466
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:43,120
84 percent have not

467
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:47,120
number five 33 said at least some of the

468
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:49,600
ufo sightings throughout history

469
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:53,600
were actual alien spacecraft

470
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:57,600
and number six 86 percent of u.s

471
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:01,039
adults saying that they have all heard

472
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:05,120
of or read about unidentified

473
00:24:10,830 --> 00:24:08,159
flying objects now

474
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:10,840
gallup's survey results continue a

475
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:13,520
decades-long trend of distrust

476
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:15,520
among americans for their government on

477
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:18,640
the subject of intelligent alien life

478
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:22,880
their 1996 survey on the issue

479
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:26,000
showed 71 of americans didn't trust the

480
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:27,520
government on the ufo issue

481
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:31,200
today at 68 the numbers haven't changed

482
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:32,960
what i find most interesting with

483
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:34,880
gallup's 2019

484
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:38,400
ufo survey is that it was almost a full

485
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:39,360
two years

486
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:42,480
after the ttsa public announcement

487
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:45,760
and the now infamous new york times

488
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:49,760
article the cia ttsa

489
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:53,039
and louis elizondo have had a full two

490
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:55,840
seasons to air their tv show on history

491
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:56,720
channel

492
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:59,360
and it appears to have had zero effect

493
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,000
on public

494
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,880
opinion about trusting the man when it

495
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:04,320
comes to the ufo

496
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:07,520
question that's right

497
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:09,679
of all the paranormal ghost hunting

498
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:11,200
shows that have

499
00:25:15,269 --> 00:25:13,360
they seem to have a great effect on

500
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:15,279
educating the public about who

501
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:19,200
what and where ghosts are the last thing

502
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:21,440
that we need is a government-sponsored

503
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:25,679
cia paranormal oh wait

504
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:29,440
there's that series about skinwalker

505
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:32,559
forgot about that called the

506
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:35,760
secret of skinwalker ranch

507
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:40,000
speaking of skinwalker i remember

508
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:43,120
about two years ago when i first heard

509
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:45,600
about brandon fugle

510
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:47,279
and i was talking on the phone and

511
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:49,919
exchanging emails with someone in their

512
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:53,279
inner circle and i said to this person

513
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:55,039
i know who owns skinwalker the

514
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:56,960
conversation was about you know this

515
00:26:01,909 --> 00:25:59,039
secret new owner of skin walk and i was

516
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:01,919
like i i know who owns it

517
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:06,799
and there is this long pause

518
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:10,320
and the reply was to me no

519
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:13,200
you don't know it's impossible it's a

520
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:14,960
secret

521
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:19,760
and i replied it's brandon fugle

522
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:22,640
and there was another long pause

523
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:24,000
followed by this

524
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:27,039
and i quote jimmy you can't reveal his

525
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:28,720
name

526
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:32,159
he wants to and needs to remain secret

527
00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:33,679
man

528
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:35,840
he's a very private guy it'll disrupt

529
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:38,240
everything they are working on please i

530
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:42,159
beg you keep his name out of it

531
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:43,279
they didn't want me to say it on the

532
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:44,880
show but i was going to and i didn't

533
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:46,240
really care

534
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:50,320
so i agreed not to mention brandon fugle

535
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:53,360
honestly i really didn't care but there

536
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:54,559
was

537
00:27:02,390 --> 00:26:58,799
something stinky going on and i knew it

538
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:02,400
whatever you know whatever so but then a

539
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:03,200
few months

540
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,360
later this person whips out an exclusive

541
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:09,600
interview with foogle and announces him

542
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:12,320
starring in his new tv series on history

543
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:13,919
channel

544
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:16,960
and i was like really

545
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:20,000
all right whatever both series

546
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:21,520
unidentified inside

547
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:24,159
america's ufo investigation and the

548
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:25,919
secret of skinwalker ranch are

549
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:27,679
surrounded by all of the same

550
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:28,799
personalities

551
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:31,520
that have been trying to get us to trust

552
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,120
the man

553
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:35,760
it's the same group of individuals

554
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:36,880
involved with both

555
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:41,200
shows will these cia tv programs have an

556
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:43,520
effect on future surveys

557
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:46,080
has it changed the minds of people in

558
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:48,960
the united states and around the world

559
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:52,399
right now the answer is a resounding

560
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:56,080
no but only time will tell

561
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:58,640
for now the numbers have remained steady

562
00:28:03,029 --> 00:27:59,919
and solid but

563
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:03,039
the day i hear the galloping hooves of

564
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:05,600
the four horsemen coming down the street

565
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:08,240
is when gallup releases their polls

566
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:09,039
saying that

567
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:11,679
a majority of americans now trust the

568
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:14,159
united states government about ufos and

569
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:14,559
e.t

570
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:18,880
contact and what they are telling us

571
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williams

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your host jimmy church what a great week

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continuing our haunted rocktober tonight

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randy williams is here

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tomorrow night joshua p warren

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wednesday night fader night with you

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telling us your favorite ghost stories

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shaw the loon witch halloween special

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witch tonight

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our guest is randy williams we're going

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to discuss his book about sherlock

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holmes and the

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greatest set of crimes known in history

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who came to be known as jack the ripper

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randy is the owner of black stallion

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security and investigations

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gung foo

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which we will be discussing tonight

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his second venture into fictional

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writing i would like to welcome back to

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fade to black the one and only

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randy williams hi yeah how you doing

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randy

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jimmy what's going on my man

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hey uh listen happy to be here uh before

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we get started

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we don't have to get into specifics here

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or anything

760
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don't worry about that we don't need to

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drop names i'm not going to do that

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to you but you're also in the rock and

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roll business

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and uh uh touring um

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you i didn't don't don't say any names

766
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we don't we i want to save that for

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another show and you know what i'm

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talking about okay but

769
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um yeah yeah i know yes yes you do

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so but anyway uh the touring industry is

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shut down you know and and

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that plays such a big part of your life

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yeah when do you see it coming back

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um well i'm not supposed to drop names

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but the pers

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the person i work for primarily um has

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told me

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in his own opinion concerts as we knew

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them

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aren't coming back until 22 2022

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if at all right we are talking about

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that uh my daughter's

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uh over the weekend came over uh for

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dinner on saturday night we were talking

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about concerts you know that's

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they're both 25 years old you know

787
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that's yeah you know what it was like

788
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when you were 25

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concerts were your life and

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they that's that's the feeling that

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they've got like the the future has

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changed

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and they don't know what the future is

794
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but it's not going to be what it was

795
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uh in in 2019 yeah it may never go back

796
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to what it was

797
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i mean they're thinking if they do bring

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back shows

799
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i mean think about the nature of a

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concert where people are

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you know squished together they have the

802
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crowd surfing

803
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um to try to enforce any kind of social

804
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distancing first of all you have to sell

805
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150 number of tickets

806
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you would have to have security keeping

807
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people apart and keeping them from

808
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bunching up at the front

809
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so you'd have to have five times or ten

810
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times the security you used to have

811
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:03,520
right out in the crowd meet and greets

812
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are a thing of the past

813
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:07,680
that's not going to happen right um so

814
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:09,680
it does it's not a very bright future at

815
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:11,040
all for shows

816
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:12,800
that the kind of shows we're used to

817
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:14,160
seeing and taking part in

818
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:16,720
yeah well and and for you you know being

819
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:18,079
personal security

820
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,200
to um uh

821
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:23,280
rock stars let's just you know you're

822
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:24,800
you're in a different world you're not

823
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:25,680
in a small

824
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:28,960
van tour right with a u-haul on the back

825
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:32,000
you guys are you're at another level

826
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:35,200
of of touring but for you um

827
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:37,760
if you don't have any meat or greets or

828
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:38,480
this

829
00:38:41,829 --> 00:38:40,160
or the crowds are held back and there's

830
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:41,839
no personal interaction at

831
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:46,079
all with uh the musicians themselves

832
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:47,920
you don't get a chance to karate chop

833
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:49,520
somebody in the throat do you

834
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:52,480
i mean no i become uh or judo chop and i

835
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:53,599
i become obsolete

836
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:56,320
you know right so it's it's tough uh

837
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:57,760
it's gonna be a tough

838
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:00,320
uh next couple years and and it may

839
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:02,400
never ever come back that's the thing

840
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:03,839
and they're even talking about things

841
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:06,720
like um when we do a show now

842
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:09,040
rather than the whole entourage you know

843
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:10,400
with all the stage crew and the

844
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:12,240
pyrotechnics guys the sound guys the

845
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:12,960
lighting guys

846
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:15,200
they're talking about when when and if

847
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:16,480
it comes back

848
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:18,880
we would just be the musicians and

849
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:19,839
security

850
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:22,640
and just plug in to their amps all their

851
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:23,440
equipment

852
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:25,280
all their lighting we wouldn't be

853
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:27,280
allowed to bring anything with us really

854
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:29,040
except the most basic

855
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:31,839
necessities and instruments right so all

856
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:33,440
these roadies are going to be

857
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:35,440
sort of obsolete as well yeah so

858
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:38,480
drummers just bring their drum sticks

859
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:41,359
right guitar players bring their guitar

860
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:42,880
yeah i mean

861
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:44,400
it could come down to that where you

862
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:46,000
know you play the drum kit that's

863
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:48,000
provided by the venue

864
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:49,280
i mean i don't know if they'd go to that

865
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:51,200
extent but they're they're actually

866
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,280
talking about none of the sound

867
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:55,200
equipment none of our own lighting

868
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:56,800
like you know one of the bands the band

869
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:58,320
i mainly traveled with this last couple

870
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:58,880
years

871
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:01,359
have this big gigantic skull that comes

872
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:02,480
apart and

873
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,160
gets built on the stage every night and

874
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:06,000
there's this fabulous plural technics

875
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,560
show

876
00:40:10,309 --> 00:40:08,400
right you know this this guy called

877
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:10,319
glenn wright puts on and

878
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:13,440
um it's just this amazing spectacle and

879
00:40:17,109 --> 00:40:14,800
all that is

880
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:17,119
you know is going to be basically cut

881
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:18,720
out and and not allowed

882
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:20,880
yeah so it'll just be whatever lighting

883
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:22,000
they have there

884
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:25,760
the mosh pit a thing of the past

885
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:30,240
i know oh man i i never did the mosh pit

886
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:32,319
but i certainly stood outside of them

887
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:35,839
and went man that is cool

888
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:38,720
oh man and security i remember once i

889
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:39,839
had i got stuck

890
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:41,440
going out into the mosh pit with the

891
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:42,960
cameraman because

892
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:45,599
our guys wanted um some footage from

893
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:47,040
within the mosh pit

894
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,560
and it was like getting thrown into a

895
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:50,640
washing machine

896
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:53,839
it is some serious business and uh yeah

897
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:57,359
like you know that whole thing i can't

898
00:41:05,829 --> 00:40:58,000
uh

899
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:05,839
donington and these crazy rock and roll

900
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:06,880
metal festival

901
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:10,079
100 200 300 400 000 people

902
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:13,040
that's over that's done yeah download in

903
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:14,240
england yeah

904
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:16,480
yeah yeah it's over it doesn't look like

905
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:18,240
it and and then you know look at

906
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:20,480
the uk and their covert numbers are

907
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:22,000
going back up again

908
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,520
so they're going into lockdown in

909
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:25,440
various stages depending on which part

910
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:26,560
of the country

911
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:28,480
you live in over there so i mean forget

912
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:30,400
download this year or maybe next year or

913
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,280
maybe ever

914
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:33,440
yeah and how's your health i mean you're

915
00:41:37,109 --> 00:41:34,480
a big health guy

916
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:37,119
but uh how how have you been getting

917
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:37,680
through

918
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:41,359
uh this year so far so good you know i

919
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:43,520
i haven't had any uh you know i don't

920
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:46,079
even think i had the covert and not

921
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:47,280
you know a lot of people talk about

922
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:49,599
having had it and not known they had it

923
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:52,640
right i haven't even had a spate of any

924
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:53,599
kind of

925
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:55,599
sickness at all or you know feeling bad

926
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:57,680
or anything so i i think i avoided it

927
00:42:01,589 --> 00:41:59,359
and i think it's largely due to the fact

928
00:42:02,230 --> 00:42:01,599
that they say that my blood type o

929
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:02,240
positive

930
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:05,440
is um the most resistant and they say

931
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:05,920
that

932
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:09,839
vitamin d and vitamin c but vitamin d

933
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:11,359
specifically helps

934
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:13,760
kind of repel it and i have been on

935
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,480
prescription vitamin d for like 15 years

936
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:18,400
where i take this massive dose every

937
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:20,000
wednesday so

938
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:21,920
i i think maybe that that could have

939
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:23,040
something to do with it because believe

940
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:23,599
me

941
00:42:28,829 --> 00:42:26,800
i was flying back and forth

942
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:28,839
all over the country really all over the

943
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:30,000
world

944
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:32,800
after covid started um you know setting

945
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:33,280
in

946
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:36,640
flights all the time and

947
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:39,440
um yeah i was exposed i'm sure to it but

948
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:40,160
i i never

949
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:44,079
contracted it is is is is diet a diet is

950
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:45,599
a big part of your life

951
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:48,960
but for everybody else uh your

952
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:51,040
diet certainly other things in your

953
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:52,000
personal life but

954
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,200
your diet has to contribute directly to

955
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:57,119
your immune system doesn't it

956
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:59,440
oh yeah yeah i mean diet is really the

957
00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:00,720
most crucial

958
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:02,560
uh aspect even if you want to get say

959
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:04,000
you want to get ripped up and you want

960
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:05,359
to look really good

961
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:07,119
um people think well i'm going to do a

962
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:08,960
bunch of sit-ups and i'm going to run

963
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:11,119
that's all very important but none of

964
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:12,640
that is going to get you ripped if you

965
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:13,119
don't

966
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:15,920
have a strict diet diet is is as

967
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:17,920
everything really when it comes to

968
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:20,720
looking good and feeling good it's more

969
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:21,280
important

970
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:23,040
i i think you know i i guess i'm

971
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:24,960
somewhat of an expert i don't know

972
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:28,400
um i feel like diet is more important

973
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:29,839
even than exercise

974
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:32,560
in some ways you know what i would find

975
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:33,440
interesting

976
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:35,599
for the audience here uh so you could

977
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:37,440
probably understand

978
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:40,880
uh that randy is a private investigator

979
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:43,680
and he's a security expert for sure he's

980
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:46,160
a great author and a great writer

981
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:47,760
um and we're going to be discussing his

982
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:49,839
book tonight the autumn of terror but

983
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:51,440
if you really want a good kick in the

984
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:52,880
pants just uh

985
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:56,240
just google randy williams uh kung fu

986
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:00,640
or wing chun gung fu or martial arts

987
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:03,440
and and check out randy's health and his

988
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,640
students

989
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:06,560
and and what he does out there in the

990
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:08,000
world here absolutely

991
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:09,680
phenomenal in your success in the world

992
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:12,000
of martial arts randy seriously big

993
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:15,760
big big nod there um i'm 57 years old

994
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:17,200
is it too late for me to get into

995
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:18,960
martial arts oh

996
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:21,119
no never too late never too bad i would

997
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:22,720
love to have you as part of

998
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:25,119
you know my group of students um are

999
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:26,480
known as barn members

1000
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:29,200
because as you know i raise horses here

1001
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,000
i have my

1002
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:32,240
my farm in pennsylvania and i have a

1003
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:33,280
horse ranch

1004
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:35,520
and the it's actually uh you know i'm

1005
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:36,319
like a

1006
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:39,440
skin walker texas ranger um so i've got

1007
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:40,480
my little ranch

1008
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:43,280
little ranch here and the barn uh is

1009
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:45,119
where the horses live downstairs and

1010
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:46,880
upstairs is a gym

1011
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:48,960
so there's all the wooden dummies and

1012
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:51,200
you know speed bags heavy bags uh

1013
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:52,800
weight training equipment there's a cage

1014
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:54,880
in there um i have some equipment from

1015
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:56,880
bruce lee who was my teacher's teacher

1016
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:00,240
in there and um i i would love to have

1017
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:02,319
you as part of my barn you know and and

1018
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:04,240
you know your head on my wall now how

1019
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:06,160
long would it take i'm 57

1020
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:08,720
i'm dedicated and i really get into it

1021
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:11,040
can i become a black belt at my age

1022
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:14,079
oh yes yeah yeah really you say that

1023
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,040
pretty easily

1024
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:17,520
okay well yeah that's because i i know

1025
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:18,079
because i

1026
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:20,720
teach people of all age groups the most

1027
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:21,839
important thing

1028
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:25,599
as far as echoes is dedication um

1029
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:27,280
as if you're dedicated and you're going

1030
00:45:31,829 --> 00:45:29,839
to practice you're going to study

1031
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:31,839
there's a lot of brain work to to gong

1032
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:33,040
foo it's not all

1033
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:34,480
about hitting bags and kicking and

1034
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:36,240
beating people up i mean that's all

1035
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:39,520
fun and games and and all good but a lot

1036
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:42,560
of gong foo is is book work is science

1037
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:45,119
and uh it requires that you apply

1038
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,160
yourself

1039
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:48,480
so as long as you're dedicated and

1040
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:49,599
you're going to apply yourself

1041
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:51,599
i don't care what age you are you can

1042
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:53,200
achieve your black belt

1043
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:56,640
i mean it theoretically could be done

1044
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:59,440
i think it's not even really outrageous

1045
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:01,119
to say within six years you could

1046
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:02,960
achieve a black belt

1047
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:05,280
in my system and that's not something

1048
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:07,280
that's given to you it's not

1049
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:09,200
something that you got because we're

1050
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:10,960
friends or you paid me

1051
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:12,400
because i don't sell belts you can ask

1052
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:13,680
any of my students that they they work

1053
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:14,880
for their belts

1054
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:17,680
but you could actually achieve your your

1055
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:18,720
black belt and

1056
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:22,000
your first degree black belt in in even

1057
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:23,680
four to five years if you really applied

1058
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:25,920
yourself wow maybe i should

1059
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:28,240
i mean i've always wanted to do it and

1060
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:29,440
uh yes you would

1061
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:32,400
yeah steve murillo uh you know steve and

1062
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:33,920
steve's a great guy

1063
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:36,480
but he is he's full on right he's

1064
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:37,040
full-on

1065
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:40,400
dedicated uh to martial arts and and

1066
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:43,040
uh you know and he is he's a picture of

1067
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:43,680
health

1068
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:46,720
you know and and that has uh

1069
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:50,480
you you get to learn uh the the art

1070
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:52,960
for sure and it helps your brain for

1071
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:53,920
sure

1072
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:56,560
but you also achieve a certain amount of

1073
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:57,520
immortality

1074
00:47:01,190 --> 00:47:00,160
right because your body is being taken

1075
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:01,200
care of too

1076
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,400
and the cells are reacting to your

1077
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:06,800
mental state

1078
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:08,400
i mean i'd like to say all those things

1079
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:09,520
are true but then that would mean i

1080
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:11,359
would be an example of it you know so i

1081
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:12,160
don't know if i

1082
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:15,119
well you're 100 you're a you're 179

1083
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:15,839
years old

1084
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:18,160
and and people need to know that randy

1085
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:19,599
180

1086
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:20,720
thanks for making me sound a little

1087
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:23,200
younger um well you know

1088
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:25,200
it's it's a very good thing to keep you

1089
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,800
young because training in the martial

1090
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:27,920
arts you're around

1091
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:29,359
mostly younger guys you're training

1092
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:31,200
younger guys and just

1093
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:34,079
the whole vibe you stay young i think a

1094
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:34,800
lot of people

1095
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:37,760
think i'm younger than i am um i think

1096
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:39,040
they do at least they tell me that they

1097
00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:40,319
might be lying

1098
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:42,559
but i think that uh it does kind of keep

1099
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:44,400
you young uh training in martial arts

1100
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:45,440
and it gives you that

1101
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:48,000
a better outlook and you're you're

1102
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:49,520
constantly moving and you're

1103
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:51,520
you're not getting stale you're not

1104
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:53,680
you're not stagnating you're you're

1105
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:56,000
keeping loose flexible those are all

1106
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:56,800
important things

1107
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:58,880
as you get older now we're going to be

1108
00:48:01,270 --> 00:48:00,480
talking about jack the ripper tonight

1109
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:01,280
and of course

1110
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:04,720
the uh the techniques of sherlock holmes

1111
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:06,480
it's a fascinating book i've read it a

1112
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:07,920
couple of times

1113
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:10,960
and of course i'm talking about uh

1114
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:14,800
uh the autumn of terror but i wanted to

1115
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:15,440
ask you

1116
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:17,839
this before we get to the top of the

1117
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:18,559
hour

1118
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:21,040
i think i've spoken to you about this

1119
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:21,839
before

1120
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:25,520
uh but the audience may not know this um

1121
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:28,079
one of my producers uh and this was

1122
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:29,920
probably

1123
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:33,119
almost 10 years ago nine years ago came

1124
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:34,240
to me

1125
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:36,720
and said he grew up in palos verdes

1126
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:39,040
right grew up down in pv

1127
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:42,400
um with the lee family okay and he

1128
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:46,240
came to me yeah yeah yeah right there

1129
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:46,960
right there

1130
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:49,359
and he said uh uh they you know they

1131
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:50,480
went to school together

1132
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,680
brandon and and anyway hold on let's get

1133
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:55,440
i'm getting ahead of my skis

1134
00:49:03,190 --> 00:48:59,680
he says bruce lee faked his death

1135
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:03,200
right and i went right listen i went

1136
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:05,520
round and round with him randy

1137
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:09,839
for probably a year and he had compiled

1138
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:11,280
all the stuff and the

1139
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:13,680
things and i'm just gonna throw this out

1140
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:14,480
at you

1141
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:16,400
is it possible that bruce lee could have

1142
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,549
well anything's possible you know it's

1143
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:24,160
possible that uh

1144
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:27,440
you know clavius has uh has women in hot

1145
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:28,319
tubs in those

1146
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:32,240
pools of water sure um but chances are

1147
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:35,760
i mean no um bruce lee

1148
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:38,480
cared too much about his family uh cared

1149
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:41,200
too much about his students and friends

1150
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:44,240
of which my teacher was both

1151
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:48,559
and for him to abandon all of them

1152
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:51,760
um for what exactly what

1153
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:53,839
what would be gained from from doing

1154
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:55,839
that if he was going to run off

1155
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:57,920
because he supposedly feared for his

1156
00:50:02,230 --> 00:49:59,599
life from the triads

1157
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:02,240
then um why would he not take his kids

1158
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:02,880
with him and

1159
00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:06,000
his wife with him his beloved family and

1160
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:07,599
he really wouldn't have anything to gain

1161
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:09,119
from that and

1162
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:11,280
if you know a lot about bruce lee and i

1163
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:12,559
know that you do from our last

1164
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:13,760
conversation and

1165
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:17,839
others um you know that bruce lee was

1166
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:21,280
had a fairly healthy ego let's not

1167
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:23,680
go you know be disparaging but he had a

1168
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:25,599
fairly healthy ego and he worked very

1169
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:28,559
hard to be the top guy on the planet

1170
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:30,480
and for him to just suddenly say i'm

1171
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:32,000
gonna let all that go and

1172
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:34,720
you know fade into anonymity and leave

1173
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:36,720
my family behind so that i could not be

1174
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:38,160
killed by the triads

1175
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:40,079
yeah no that just it it just doesn't

1176
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:42,240
make any sense you can almost

1177
00:50:46,549 --> 00:50:44,960
take that same uh train of thought and

1178
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:46,559
apply it to

1179
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:49,599
elvis or or michael jackson

1180
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:53,680
or uh jim morrison or jimi hendrix

1181
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:56,880
where this type of uh

1182
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:59,040
uh what's the word urban legend right is

1183
00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:00,160
that the right way to put it

1184
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:03,040
mm-hmm um yeah it's an urban legend is

1185
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:04,160
it this you can

1186
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:06,160
apply the same thing pretty much across

1187
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:08,079
the board right these artists

1188
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:11,040
work their whole lives to get to a point

1189
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:12,800
to just suddenly pull the plug on

1190
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:14,480
friends and family and everything else

1191
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:16,079
it doesn't make a whole lot of sense

1192
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:17,119
does it

1193
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:19,200
it it doesn't really i mean unless you

1194
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:21,599
want to go another step and say well

1195
00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:23,040
the kurt cobains of the world if you

1196
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:24,319
want to believe that he committed

1197
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:25,680
suicide

1198
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:29,359
um or or you know chester or or

1199
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:32,160
any of these other rock stars uh chris

1200
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:33,520
cornell and

1201
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:35,200
it's arguable whether or not those guys

1202
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:36,960
did commit suicide there's a whole

1203
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:38,720
school of thought now that they weren't

1204
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:40,559
suicides after all

1205
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:42,319
and that's a whole other show that you

1206
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,440
would probably do with somebody much

1207
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:45,599
better qualified than me on the subject

1208
00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:48,000
but those guys you could say well

1209
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:49,119
they've got everything in the world

1210
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:51,359
going from robin williams for example

1211
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:54,400
right for him to kill himself um

1212
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:56,079
david carried him well he was he did it

1213
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:57,599
by mistake i guess

1214
00:52:01,030 --> 00:51:59,119
but i mean for these guys to kill

1215
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:01,040
themselves you you think well they had

1216
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:02,960
the whole world by the tail

1217
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:05,520
why would they do that so so that would

1218
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:06,800
be a counterpoint to

1219
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:09,920
i guess my argument about bruce lee but

1220
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:11,839
it's kind of the opposite because if you

1221
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:13,200
want to believe they killed themselves

1222
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:14,720
they wanted to end it

1223
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:16,559
whereas bruce lee there was no

1224
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:18,559
indication in his life prior to him

1225
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:19,200
dying

1226
00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:22,400
that he would want to somehow end it

1227
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:24,559
yeah that makes sense that makes sense

1228
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:26,800
and now let's uh

1229
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:28,800
let's let's shift gears a little bit

1230
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:31,440
we're you know we're staying on the uh

1231
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:34,800
the investigation process why

1232
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:37,440
after all of these years and when we

1233
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:38,000
come back

1234
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:40,800
after we'll talk uh more about who jack

1235
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:42,079
the ripper was and

1236
00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:43,599
and the basis of the story as a

1237
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:45,920
foundation for this conversation tonight

1238
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:46,720
but

1239
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:50,160
the let's let's go to the end and we'll

1240
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:50,880
start

1241
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:52,160
there at the beginning of this

1242
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:53,760
conversation with jack the ripper which

1243
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:54,720
is

1244
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:00,880
but for the rest of the world not to

1245
00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:02,800
have solved this crime

1246
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:06,319
yeah it went down in 1888 so

1247
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:09,359
that is uh it's 132

1248
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:13,359
years now unsolved exactly

1249
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:15,920
well i actually i if if you want to

1250
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:16,720
believe me

1251
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:20,079
i solved it in 2012. uh but

1252
00:53:25,109 --> 00:53:22,640
it's 132-year anniversary you know just

1253
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:25,119
passed of the double event for example

1254
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:27,599
um the the spectacular double murder

1255
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:28,880
that jack the ripper

1256
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:32,720
committed well okay um that one is

1257
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:34,720
i i think that we we actually hit on

1258
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:36,960
that a little bit last time but

1259
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:39,200
whenever i finish explaining all the

1260
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:40,880
evidence that i've gathered

1261
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:42,960
and everything that i've uncovered the

1262
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:45,040
most typical thing that people say to me

1263
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:46,480
and i think you said it

1264
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:49,680
a few years ago is like well if it's so

1265
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:51,839
obvious and there's so much here

1266
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:53,920
how did somebody else didn't how is it

1267
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:56,880
that no one else found it before you did

1268
00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:58,880
and my answer to that is well i really

1269
00:54:01,829 --> 00:54:00,079
don't know

1270
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:01,839
how they could have missed it other than

1271
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:03,920
the fact that the group of guys

1272
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:05,839
i'm gonna let that much slip that jack

1273
00:54:10,230 --> 00:54:07,520
the ripper wasn't just one man

1274
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:10,240
right and the group of them one of them

1275
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:12,240
the mastermind was one of the great

1276
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:14,640
thinkers of the 1800s

1277
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:17,680
and and so they were very very very

1278
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:18,640
intelligent and they

1279
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:22,160
played word games and sort of um

1280
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:23,359
they played games with the police and

1281
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:25,520
sort of toyed with the police as a as a

1282
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:26,880
tactic

1283
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:29,440
to further their cause and i think that

1284
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:31,440
the way that they planned it and the way

1285
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:33,839
that they executed the crimes

1286
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:37,359
they completely sort of bamboozled

1287
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:39,359
everyone no one even dreamed that it

1288
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:41,280
could have been a group of guys

1289
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:43,920
and the way that they orchestrated their

1290
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:45,680
tour de force performance the double

1291
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:46,640
event

1292
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:50,480
was so intricate and so clever

1293
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:52,559
that it went undetected for all these

1294
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:54,240
years because nobody

1295
00:54:58,710 --> 00:54:57,119
could conceptualize that a group of guys

1296
00:55:03,109 --> 00:54:58,720
could get together and

1297
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:03,119
organize orchestrate such a crime

1298
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:06,400
i went through and uh

1299
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:09,839
did my in my version of investigation

1300
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:10,160
right

1301
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:13,920
which is very uh uh very cursory

1302
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:16,960
is that i went through every

1303
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:20,640
crime and went through

1304
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:23,920
all of the alleged or

1305
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:26,640
existing eyewitness testimony everything

1306
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:28,240
that was involved and every

1307
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:31,839
the the best that i could and

1308
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:34,559
this is and the history has a way of

1309
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:36,400
watering things down

1310
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:38,079
okay that that's the first thing so i

1311
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:40,319
know i'm not getting the detail

1312
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:43,599
uh today that was around back then but

1313
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:46,480
i i looked at that and thought to myself

1314
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:47,280
how could

1315
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:51,359
any investigator um in scotland yard

1316
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:55,200
or in london uh police any detective

1317
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:57,599
look at this and think that this is the

1318
00:56:03,829 --> 00:55:59,839
way that it actually went down

1319
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:03,839
right it just it it just to me it just

1320
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:06,880
it just seemed too simple it seemed like

1321
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:10,240
uh something was being covered up or

1322
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:12,960
um this was a watered-down version that

1323
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:14,640
we are getting today and that's what was

1324
00:56:19,349 --> 00:56:16,319
fed to everybody back then

1325
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:19,359
to just shut everybody up am i wrong

1326
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:21,920
in thinking like that no no i don't

1327
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:24,400
think you're wrong in that i i think

1328
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:27,359
but i do also think that a lot of the

1329
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:29,440
reason that it wasn't solved back then

1330
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:31,520
and i did solve it if you want to

1331
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:33,599
believe that i did

1332
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:35,760
in the modern day is because they didn't

1333
00:56:44,789 --> 00:56:36,799
have

1334
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:44,799
they didn't know for example that

1335
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:45,920
murderers might

1336
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:49,200
insert themselves into the investigation

1337
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:51,599
many thousands have done it since but

1338
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:53,359
jack the ripper was probably the first

1339
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:54,720
to have done it

1340
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:57,119
they didn't know how to cope with

1341
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:58,720
letters from a killer

1342
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:00,720
they didn't know that there might be

1343
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:03,599
clues to be had from such letters

1344
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:06,319
they had no data that the killer

1345
00:57:12,069 --> 00:57:08,880
probably lived within 0.6 miles of

1346
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:12,079
of most if not all of the crimes they

1347
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:13,920
didn't have that sort of data

1348
00:57:18,069 --> 00:57:16,400
to work with back then that would have

1349
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:18,079
assisted them in these ways

1350
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:19,520
they wouldn't have known for example

1351
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:22,400
some of the more popular

1352
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:25,680
suspects include the duke of clarence um

1353
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:29,440
prince albert victor who they suspected

1354
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:30,000
him

1355
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:32,880
strictly on the strength that he was gay

1356
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:33,920
and he was

1357
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:36,960
involved he was caught up in a scandal

1358
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:39,599
where they raided a homosexual brothel

1359
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:41,040
near white chapel

1360
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:42,720
and he happened to be there at the time

1361
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:44,559
and even though because he was a royal

1362
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:45,680
they tried to clea

1363
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:47,920
to cover it up so there was this

1364
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:49,599
cover-up thing that got started which

1365
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:51,520
involved prince albert victor

1366
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:53,280
but they didn't know back then like we

1367
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:54,559
know now that

1368
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:57,680
gay men don't serial kill women

1369
00:58:01,349 --> 00:57:59,920
um they if they're going to do it it's

1370
00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:01,359
it's going to be men

1371
00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:04,400
vis-a-vis john wayne gacy her bow

1372
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:05,599
meister

1373
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:09,280
jeffrey dahmer um guys that

1374
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:12,559
homosexual men target men

1375
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:14,559
in their serial killings they didn't

1376
00:58:18,309 --> 00:58:15,599
know that

1377
00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:18,319
so they immediately jumped to prince

1378
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:20,559
albert victor as a as a suspect and

1379
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:22,880
francis tumbled to you quack doctor as

1380
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:23,839
well

1381
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:25,839
now so they didn't have access to all

1382
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:27,119
that kind of info

1383
00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:29,760
to to base their investigation upon yeah

1384
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:31,599
the book is so well written

1385
00:58:36,069 --> 00:58:35,040
and um there's another thing i want

1386
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:36,079
everybody to go

1387
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:38,480
you can go to amazon we've got the links

1388
00:58:44,789 --> 00:58:40,319
and you can go and get the autumn of

1389
00:58:48,309 --> 00:58:44,799
terror right now but um the book is so

1390
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:48,319
well written you have a way did you

1391
00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:51,760
channel uh doyle did you channel

1392
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:54,720
sherlock holmes kind of kind of kind of

1393
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:55,839
i mean

1394
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:58,319
i've been involved in i've been

1395
00:59:01,750 --> 00:58:59,839
interested in

1396
00:59:03,910 --> 00:59:01,760
sherlock holmes and jack the ripper

1397
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:03,920
since i was a kid i've been reading

1398
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:06,799
the sherlock holmes stories as did all

1399
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my co-authors which is kind of why we

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chose sherlock holmes as

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a sort of vehicle to present our case

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but

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um what i had to do once we decided that

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00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:17,520
the book was going to be written

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00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:20,960
as a holmes novel i had to go in

1406
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:24,160
and reread everything that doyle had

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00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:25,440
ever written

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00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:27,440
and i read you know not just the home

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00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:29,040
stories he wrote some

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kick-ass ghost stories medical horror

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00:59:36,549 --> 00:59:33,440
stories

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00:59:39,990 --> 00:59:36,559
really cool i mean spooky stuff he wrote

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war stories and and various other things

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00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:41,359
he even wrote like uh

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00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:44,319
the lost world you know dinosaurs that's

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right

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00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:47,520
i mean i had to read everything that he

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wrote in order to capture that flavor

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00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:54,240
of the 1800s phrasing and pacing

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00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:57,280
because they used different slang back

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01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:58,160
then

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and and it's funny because some of what

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they used you would have thought

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was modern day slang for example what's

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up

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uh people used to say that back in the

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1800s and i always thought that was like

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invented by the budweiser you know

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what's up commercial right

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um you would call the criminal's

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headquarters his crib um you know let's

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go

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and see if we can find the scoundrel in

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his crib

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and i always thought that was kind of

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like you know 60s jazz slang or

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something

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you know like mtv cribs but it was

1439
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actually slang from back then

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so i had to learn all that i had to

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learn that a phaser is a

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punch in the face and a trap is a

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horse-drawn carriage

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and i had to learn that they would say

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things like rather than say we got to do

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this they would say we must

1447
01:00:48,470 --> 01:00:46,960
needs do this and that's actually the

1448
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way they used to speak so i'd learn all

1449
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that

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a story in a sherlock holmes kind of

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frame that would that would satisfy

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holmes readers

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somewhat i would hope and and seem like

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it was written back then

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let's take our break right here our

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guest tonight is randy williams we are

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talking about

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sherlock holmes and jack the ripper

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we are continuing our haunted rocktober

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i am your host jimmy church

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you can follow me on twitter at j church

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radio randy what's your twitter

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um i think it's sherlock holmes in the

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atom of terror yeah that's what it is

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there it is sherlock holmes in the

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autumn of terror i'm heroes jimmy church

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this is fade to black stay with us we'll

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across the globe on the game changer

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church tonight randy williams

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is here we're talking about jack the

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ripper

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and of of course the sherlock holmes

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take on jack the ripper we're going to

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get back to that in just a second

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tomorrow night joshua p warren is here

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wednesday night is fader night

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thursday night is our seventh annual

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halloween special with shaw the loon

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witch tonight is randy williams

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and randy um i encourage everybody to go

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and get

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the autumn of terror we've got the links

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uh to the book right there at

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jimmyshirtradio.com you can click and

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it'll take you straight over where you

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can get the book and i want to let

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everybody

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01:07:31,029 --> 01:07:29,039
know tonight there are no spoilers we're

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not going to tell you

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01:07:34,230 --> 01:07:33,359
who or we're not going to do that you

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01:07:37,430 --> 01:07:34,240
can find out

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01:07:40,870 --> 01:07:37,440
front no we're not going to do that but

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um this is the thing um i encourage

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01:07:44,710 --> 01:07:41,920
everybody to

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it is such a great read and the way that

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it is written

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i think is most important here and you

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need to enjoy the book there's no reason

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for us to give away the ending

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01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:54,240
we're not going to do that but you had

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the assistance uh

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from three of uh the top guys in the

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world that i

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i enjoy uh these guys immensely and that

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is of course

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dr michael baden uh cyril wacht

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and and henry lee dr henry lee dr cyril

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um uh how did you get those guys

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involved i mean

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you got the three top pathologists in

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the world right

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dream team absolutely it's almost i have

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to pinch myself

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sometimes just it was just such a

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heady experience meeting and working

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with these guys and then actually

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getting them on my side it's it's almost

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impossible to conceptualize that it

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actually happened um

1642
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so your question was how did i how did i

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get them yeah yeah let's start with bad

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yeah

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how did how did you how did you land him

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well that that is kind of how it started

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through bad through dr bun

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it happened that uh dr baden was in my

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little town in northeastern pennsylvania

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um

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testifying in a serial murder case we

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have

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we had a local serial murderer who had a

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bunch of people buried in his yard

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called hugo silinski and

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dr biden was in town to testify in the

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case

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so it happens that the district attorney

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in my area

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is actually one of my students in the

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martial arts and has been for many years

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and he called me and said hey would you

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like to uh

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would you like to come down and and have

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dinner with dr baden

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uh before the trial and i said well of

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course i would wow that that'd be a

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fabulous honor so you know i'm a

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detective in luzerne county so i work

1670
01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:39,600
with

1671
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:42,880
the lizard county uh d.a office

1672
01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:45,920
so i went to dinner and um i brought one

1673
01:09:50,470 --> 01:09:46,159
of

1674
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:50,480
has written that i had in my library

1675
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:53,520
for him to sign so we were sitting

1676
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:54,719
around having dinner and all the

1677
01:09:57,750 --> 01:09:55,600
attorneys were

1678
01:09:58,950 --> 01:09:57,760
brainstorming with dr bodden how they

1679
01:10:01,189 --> 01:09:58,960
were going to handle the case and what

1680
01:10:04,229 --> 01:10:01,199
his testimony

1681
01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:04,239
might or might not consist of and

1682
01:10:07,430 --> 01:10:05,360
went through the whole dinner and i i

1683
01:10:09,430 --> 01:10:07,440
was pretty quiet and at some point dr

1684
01:10:12,070 --> 01:10:09,440
bob looked across the table to me says

1685
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:12,080
so are you an attorney uh and i said no

1686
01:10:16,070 --> 01:10:12,560
actually

1687
01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:16,080
dr b i'm uh i'm a detective and he says

1688
01:10:18,870 --> 01:10:16,480
um

1689
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:18,880
oh well you know it's it's nice to meet

1690
01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:20,719
you you know what's your name and

1691
01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:22,719
we talked a little bit and uh i said you

1692
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:24,400
know dr boden if now that i got your

1693
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:25,040
ears

1694
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:27,120
would you mind terribly signing this

1695
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:28,800
book for me

1696
01:10:32,630 --> 01:10:31,280
and i pulled out this book of his and

1697
01:10:33,189 --> 01:10:32,640
brought it over for him to sign and he

1698
01:10:34,790 --> 01:10:33,199
said oh

1699
01:10:36,390 --> 01:10:34,800
you clean up my book and i said i have

1700
01:10:38,070 --> 01:10:36,400
all your books sir

1701
01:10:39,590 --> 01:10:38,080
and i said i'm a huge fan of yours you

1702
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:39,600
know i've been been following you since

1703
01:10:43,110 --> 01:10:40,960
i was a kid and i'm

1704
01:10:44,709 --> 01:10:43,120
i'm just over the moon to meet you bring

1705
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:44,719
it over here so

1706
01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:47,600
he's signing my book and the district

1707
01:10:50,790 --> 01:10:48,960
attorney says to him

1708
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:50,800
you know dr b you might want to ask

1709
01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:52,800
randy for his autograph while you're at

1710
01:10:57,189 --> 01:10:53,440
it

1711
01:11:00,070 --> 01:10:57,199
and he says why is that and

1712
01:11:01,590 --> 01:11:00,080
sam sam sanguidulci the d.a says well

1713
01:11:04,870 --> 01:11:01,600
randy's kind of a

1714
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:04,880
world world renowned martial artist and

1715
01:11:09,910 --> 01:11:07,120
dr baden in the style that he's so

1716
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:09,920
famous in my life now for doing

1717
01:11:19,830 --> 01:11:12,080
in the first of such exchanges says to

1718
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:21,189
chinese going through and he goes wing

1719
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:24,000
chun that's the style my brother does

1720
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:26,880
he's been doing it for sort of 50 years

1721
01:11:29,189 --> 01:11:28,480
and i said really wing chun are you sure

1722
01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:29,199
he said

1723
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:32,320
yeah i'm sure and so then the district

1724
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:34,080
attorney says well you know dr b you

1725
01:11:37,270 --> 01:11:35,280
might want to call your brother and tell

1726
01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:37,280
him who you're with right now

1727
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:38,960
um because i think he'd get a kick out

1728
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:40,880
of it so he says fine let's call him

1729
01:11:44,630 --> 01:11:42,400
so he gets on the phone and he says hey

1730
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:44,640
billy yeah it's mike listen i'm sitting

1731
01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:46,320
with this guy who does the same martial

1732
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:47,520
art as you and i can hear on the other

1733
01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:48,320
end here

1734
01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:51,360
and one trump and uh yeah we can join

1735
01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:52,719
his name's randy williams and you hear

1736
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:53,760
it on the other end of the phone you can

1737
01:11:59,430 --> 01:11:56,159
hear randy williams

1738
01:12:01,030 --> 01:11:59,440
and so he put him on so i talked to his

1739
01:12:01,990 --> 01:12:01,040
brother and you know we start yakking a

1740
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:02,000
little bit and sure enough

1741
01:12:06,310 --> 01:12:05,040
he knows who i am and so i

1742
01:12:08,229 --> 01:12:06,320
make a deal that i'm going to send a

1743
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:08,239
bunch of stuff with dr bodden tomorrow

1744
01:12:11,189 --> 01:12:09,280
i'm gonna bring

1745
01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:11,199
some stuff to the courtroom the next day

1746
01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:13,120
and for his brother a couple of

1747
01:12:16,550 --> 01:12:15,120
my books and things like that some

1748
01:12:18,870 --> 01:12:16,560
souvenirs

1749
01:12:20,550 --> 01:12:18,880
and so now i have dr baden's kind of his

1750
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:20,560
attention he says wow you know

1751
01:12:24,229 --> 01:12:22,320
my brother doesn't usually get that

1752
01:12:25,990 --> 01:12:24,239
excited about somebody

1753
01:12:27,510 --> 01:12:26,000
so that night the rest of the guys kind

1754
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:27,520
of pooped out and had to go home so i

1755
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:28,960
ended up hanging out with dr b

1756
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:32,159
and we basically drank ourselves white

1757
01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:35,280
at the casino bar

1758
01:12:38,870 --> 01:12:38,080
and uh and the next day i saw him in

1759
01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:38,880
court

1760
01:12:47,110 --> 01:12:44,880
the judge in the trial saw sitting right

1761
01:12:48,870 --> 01:12:47,120
across from actually from hugo

1762
01:12:50,149 --> 01:12:48,880
and the judge says dr baden you're not

1763
01:12:51,510 --> 01:12:50,159
allowed to be in the courtroom because

1764
01:12:52,709 --> 01:12:51,520
you're going to testify later which

1765
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:52,719
actually wasn't

1766
01:12:56,950 --> 01:12:55,280
a proper decision but the d.a chose not

1767
01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:56,960
to pick that battle to fight

1768
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:58,320
he didn't want to aggravate the judge so

1769
01:13:02,550 --> 01:13:00,239
he just said yeah we'll we'll just

1770
01:13:04,310 --> 01:13:02,560
go with it would you mind keeping dr

1771
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:04,320
bodden busy for a little bit

1772
01:13:08,310 --> 01:13:07,280
so i'm thinking why would i of course is

1773
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:08,320
fantastic

1774
01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:11,280
so we go in the little war room which is

1775
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:13,199
all the case notes pictures of all the

1776
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:15,120
victims notes about the

1777
01:13:17,990 --> 01:13:16,800
suspect and other suspects and

1778
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:18,000
everything you could imagine is all

1779
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:19,360
written on the walls and

1780
01:13:22,550 --> 01:13:21,600
pasted to the walls in this room next to

1781
01:13:23,830 --> 01:13:22,560
the courtroom

1782
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:23,840
and we're sitting in there and dr

1783
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:25,520
bodden's like hey you want to see some

1784
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:26,800
gross pictures

1785
01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:29,760
um okay so he's showing me like elvis

1786
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:30,719
heart

1787
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:34,320
and you know marilyn monroe's tongue and

1788
01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:36,159
president kennedy's brain and things

1789
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:37,440
like this

1790
01:13:40,870 --> 01:13:40,159
and he he's got this really sort of

1791
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:40,880
morbid

1792
01:13:45,270 --> 01:13:43,760
sense of humor that it's a lot like mine

1793
01:13:46,630 --> 01:13:45,280
in that you don't always know when he's

1794
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:46,640
kidding and sometimes you

1795
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:49,360
kind of think is this guy serious or is

1796
01:13:53,669 --> 01:13:50,480
he kidding because

1797
01:13:56,070 --> 01:13:53,679
he even out did me in that arena so he

1798
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:56,080
was showing me all kinds of things

1799
01:14:01,110 --> 01:13:59,600
and uh and we had a lot of laughs and we

1800
01:14:02,950 --> 01:14:01,120
talked about martial arts and he was

1801
01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:02,960
asking me what my favorite martial arts

1802
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:04,800
strike was and why i liked it and then

1803
01:14:08,950 --> 01:14:06,560
he explained to me the

1804
01:14:10,870 --> 01:14:08,960
the medical aspects of it the medical

1805
01:14:12,390 --> 01:14:10,880
implications of that strike and why it

1806
01:14:13,590 --> 01:14:12,400
works the way it works and it was just

1807
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:13,600
really enlightening

1808
01:14:17,189 --> 01:14:15,600
but after about two and a half hours or

1809
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:17,199
so kind of ran out of stuff to talk

1810
01:14:22,070 --> 01:14:18,480
about

1811
01:14:23,910 --> 01:14:22,080
so i said uh hey dr b what would you say

1812
01:14:25,510 --> 01:14:23,920
if i told you that i solved the jack the

1813
01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:25,520
ripper crabs

1814
01:14:29,669 --> 01:14:28,960
and he said well um from what i now know

1815
01:14:31,110 --> 01:14:29,679
about you

1816
01:14:33,030 --> 01:14:31,120
i would be interested in what you had to

1817
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:33,040
say most people if they said that to me

1818
01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:34,239
i wouldn't even give them the time of

1819
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:34,560
day

1820
01:14:39,669 --> 01:14:37,920
right and so and for reasons that i was

1821
01:14:42,149 --> 01:14:39,679
later to be explained

1822
01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:42,159
so he says um but you know you've got my

1823
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:43,440
ear you know we've got nothing else

1824
01:14:48,229 --> 01:14:46,159
better to do who is jack the ripper

1825
01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:48,239
and i go well it's it's not really that

1826
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:50,320
simple dr bodden it's

1827
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:52,560
jack the ripper was actually three men

1828
01:14:58,709 --> 01:14:55,199
um being paid by a fourth

1829
01:14:59,430 --> 01:14:58,719
and he says um okay you've got my

1830
01:15:02,550 --> 01:14:59,440
attention

1831
01:15:05,830 --> 01:15:02,560
i've always believed that it was

1832
01:15:08,709 --> 01:15:05,840
more than one person so he says

1833
01:15:10,229 --> 01:15:08,719
well who was it now this is where my

1834
01:15:11,830 --> 01:15:10,239
story gets cut up because

1835
01:15:14,149 --> 01:15:11,840
you don't want me to give away right

1836
01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:14,159
right of course not

1837
01:15:18,630 --> 01:15:17,840
so i told him that the name he says

1838
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:18,640
who's the

1839
01:15:22,229 --> 01:15:20,800
who was the main ripper and i told him

1840
01:15:25,430 --> 01:15:22,239
the name

1841
01:15:27,430 --> 01:15:25,440
and he goes oh mr x

1842
01:15:29,110 --> 01:15:27,440
and he says isn't that the guy that

1843
01:15:30,630 --> 01:15:29,120
found the body of elizabeth stride in

1844
01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:30,640
front of the international working men's

1845
01:15:33,189 --> 01:15:31,840
educational club

1846
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:33,199
on the night of the double event the

1847
01:15:38,630 --> 01:15:35,760
first of the two so he knew this

1848
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:38,640
so he had been studying the case right

1849
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:39,520
yeah and i go

1850
01:15:44,149 --> 01:15:43,199
uh yeah him and he goes well

1851
01:15:46,390 --> 01:15:44,159
you're gonna have a little trouble

1852
01:15:50,070 --> 01:15:46,400
convincing me of that rand because

1853
01:15:52,790 --> 01:15:50,080
um we know that he was sitting with um

1854
01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:52,800
inspector edmund reed and and a bunch of

1855
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:54,640
other h division officers

1856
01:15:58,229 --> 01:15:56,480
when the second murder took place of

1857
01:16:01,990 --> 01:15:58,239
catherine eddos in mitre square

1858
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:02,000
point six miles away at 1 42 a.m

1859
01:16:07,030 --> 01:16:05,280
and i go um well yeah actually

1860
01:16:08,709 --> 01:16:07,040
he had two accomplices that committed

1861
01:16:10,870 --> 01:16:08,719
that second murder while he was with the

1862
01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:10,880
police formulating his

1863
01:16:15,590 --> 01:16:13,600
um his perfect alibi so he says all

1864
01:16:17,669 --> 01:16:15,600
right all right i can

1865
01:16:18,630 --> 01:16:17,679
i could see that it never occurred to me

1866
01:16:20,709 --> 01:16:18,640
but

1867
01:16:22,390 --> 01:16:20,719
so then it comes out he tells me you

1868
01:16:24,310 --> 01:16:22,400
know of course that i was

1869
01:16:26,310 --> 01:16:24,320
contracted by scotland yard to solve

1870
01:16:27,750 --> 01:16:26,320
these crimes in the 1960s

1871
01:16:29,110 --> 01:16:27,760
you know that they flew me over to

1872
01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:29,120
london and i learned everything there

1873
01:16:33,669 --> 01:16:30,640
was to know about it

1874
01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:33,679
but i just couldn't crack it and i said

1875
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:34,320
no actually

1876
01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:36,000
i didn't know that or maybe i knew it

1877
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:37,360
from my reading

1878
01:16:43,110 --> 01:16:40,480
you know from your books but i forgot

1879
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:43,120
and he says yeah i dedicated a good

1880
01:16:47,430 --> 01:16:44,560
portion of my life to solving

1881
01:16:47,990 --> 01:16:47,440
those crimes but i couldn't so he says

1882
01:16:49,350 --> 01:16:48,000
now you've got

1883
01:16:51,110 --> 01:16:49,360
my attention let's hear the rest of your

1884
01:16:53,590 --> 01:16:51,120
case so i spent

1885
01:16:55,189 --> 01:16:53,600
another more than an hour probably

1886
01:16:57,910 --> 01:16:55,199
closer to two hours

1887
01:16:58,390 --> 01:16:57,920
explaining him all the details of my

1888
01:17:00,709 --> 01:16:58,400
case

1889
01:17:02,229 --> 01:17:00,719
how i came upon it the evidence upon

1890
01:17:05,669 --> 01:17:02,239
which it's based

1891
01:17:06,870 --> 01:17:05,679
and when i was done he said son if you

1892
01:17:09,189 --> 01:17:06,880
can substantiate

1893
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:09,199
everything you've just told me and i and

1894
01:17:12,310 --> 01:17:11,120
i can substantiate a lot of it just from

1895
01:17:13,669 --> 01:17:12,320
my memory

1896
01:17:16,149 --> 01:17:13,679
but if some of these things that you're

1897
01:17:17,350 --> 01:17:16,159
telling me are actually in the record

1898
01:17:20,149 --> 01:17:17,360
and they're true

1899
01:17:22,630 --> 01:17:20,159
he said you've cracked this and we we

1900
01:17:23,830 --> 01:17:22,640
have to do something with this

1901
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:23,840
so when they called us into the

1902
01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:25,520
courtroom he said the last thing he said

1903
01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:26,400
to me was

1904
01:17:30,310 --> 01:17:28,320
i want your case file on my desk

1905
01:17:31,590 --> 01:17:30,320
tomorrow morning wow and he says i'm

1906
01:17:34,310 --> 01:17:31,600
going to review it

1907
01:17:35,990 --> 01:17:34,320
and if you if if everything that you've

1908
01:17:38,390 --> 01:17:36,000
told me here today

1909
01:17:39,910 --> 01:17:38,400
can be substantiated and he said believe

1910
01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:39,920
me i'm going to look and if i find

1911
01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:41,120
anything that ain't right i'm

1912
01:17:45,350 --> 01:17:44,320
i'm going to tell you he said but if if

1913
01:17:47,830 --> 01:17:45,360
it can be

1914
01:17:48,950 --> 01:17:47,840
substantiated and i think it can from

1915
01:17:50,550 --> 01:17:48,960
what i know

1916
01:17:52,790 --> 01:17:50,560
he said you've just cracked the world's

1917
01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:52,800
most notorious murder case

1918
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:55,520
and and that is how i got him in yeah

1919
01:18:00,149 --> 01:17:56,400
did he bring in

1920
01:18:03,270 --> 01:18:00,159
ciro and uh dr lee

1921
01:18:04,550 --> 01:18:03,280
yes what he did then um i didn't have to

1922
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:04,560
go pitch them

1923
01:18:10,470 --> 01:18:07,600
because he in fact said

1924
01:18:12,229 --> 01:18:10,480
if this is the case and this is what if

1925
01:18:14,870 --> 01:18:12,239
this can be substantiated i'm bringing

1926
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:14,880
in cyril and henry

1927
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:17,440
and i'm thinking cyril cyril sarah wacht

1928
01:18:21,510 --> 01:18:19,120
henry henry lee

1929
01:18:23,110 --> 01:18:21,520
and uh you know i was like that dog with

1930
01:18:24,390 --> 01:18:23,120
the cheese and that you know that video

1931
01:18:28,149 --> 01:18:24,400
where the dogs are going yeah

1932
01:18:31,270 --> 01:18:28,159
trees yeah yeah and uh so anyway he

1933
01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:31,280
he uh says i want your case notes

1934
01:18:34,470 --> 01:18:33,679
so my case was put together it was no no

1935
01:18:36,630 --> 01:18:34,480
big deal to

1936
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:36,640
to fedex him everything that he needed

1937
01:18:40,950 --> 01:18:38,400
and it took him a few days but he

1938
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:40,960
he went through the case and he called

1939
01:18:44,550 --> 01:18:42,239
me back and he said

1940
01:18:46,229 --> 01:18:44,560
kid you've cracked this you've

1941
01:18:48,550 --> 01:18:46,239
absolutely cracked

1942
01:18:49,830 --> 01:18:48,560
the world's most notorious murder case

1943
01:18:52,790 --> 01:18:49,840
and we're getting

1944
01:18:54,310 --> 01:18:52,800
henry and cyril involved so he kind of

1945
01:18:55,910 --> 01:18:54,320
pitched them i would say

1946
01:18:57,350 --> 01:18:55,920
i mean i had to go and present my case

1947
01:18:59,910 --> 01:18:57,360
to them but it wasn't

1948
01:19:02,070 --> 01:18:59,920
it wasn't even um i i wasn't even met

1949
01:19:05,350 --> 01:19:02,080
with too much skepticism

1950
01:19:08,709 --> 01:19:05,360
you did and that was my next question

1951
01:19:11,910 --> 01:19:08,719
actually did you have to work on cyril

1952
01:19:13,110 --> 01:19:11,920
and uh and and henry lee the same that

1953
01:19:16,229 --> 01:19:13,120
you did with baden

1954
01:19:19,590 --> 01:19:16,239
or was it with was it an easier process

1955
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:19,600
it was easier in that they already had

1956
01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:21,600
dr bodden telling them this kids cracked

1957
01:19:25,750 --> 01:19:22,400
it

1958
01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:25,760
you know right so they they all

1959
01:19:28,790 --> 01:19:27,440
i already had that sort of stamp of

1960
01:19:32,310 --> 01:19:28,800
approval

1961
01:19:33,910 --> 01:19:32,320
because unbeknownst to me all three of

1962
01:19:37,110 --> 01:19:33,920
them had been approached by a

1963
01:19:39,110 --> 01:19:37,120
very well known ripperologist a very

1964
01:19:40,390 --> 01:19:39,120
well-known author of jack the ripper

1965
01:19:42,709 --> 01:19:40,400
books

1966
01:19:43,510 --> 01:19:42,719
who offered each of them a huge sum of

1967
01:19:45,590 --> 01:19:43,520
money

1968
01:19:47,189 --> 01:19:45,600
to rubber stamp their theory of the

1969
01:19:48,790 --> 01:19:47,199
crimes

1970
01:19:50,310 --> 01:19:48,800
which has been written out in a series

1971
01:19:52,630 --> 01:19:50,320
of books

1972
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:52,640
and each one of the doctors had said no

1973
01:19:57,910 --> 01:19:54,640
to that person

1974
01:19:58,630 --> 01:19:57,920
and so for them to agree to take part in

1975
01:20:00,390 --> 01:19:58,640
mine

1976
01:20:02,390 --> 01:20:00,400
they had to have been fairly well

1977
01:20:05,590 --> 01:20:02,400
convinced by dr baden before

1978
01:20:08,070 --> 01:20:05,600
they even agreed to meet me

1979
01:20:09,030 --> 01:20:08,080
now so you know cyril weck though he

1980
01:20:12,550 --> 01:20:09,040
he's a hard

1981
01:20:15,910 --> 01:20:12,560
crack and i mean

1982
01:20:16,790 --> 01:20:15,920
it did i did have to uh present all my

1983
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:16,800
evidence to him

1984
01:20:20,390 --> 01:20:19,440
piece by piece and and he he did analyze

1985
01:20:23,030 --> 01:20:20,400
it very closely

1986
01:20:24,950 --> 01:20:23,040
now all three of them uh different

1987
01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:24,960
personalities here

1988
01:20:31,590 --> 01:20:28,080
right three different guys uh

1989
01:20:34,149 --> 01:20:31,600
that are absolutely the best and

1990
01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:34,159
and are are held up in such high regard

1991
01:20:37,350 --> 01:20:35,520
not only in the court system but they

1992
01:20:38,310 --> 01:20:37,360
have fans too these guys are the rock

1993
01:20:41,510 --> 01:20:38,320
stars

1994
01:20:44,709 --> 01:20:41,520
uh pathology but they're three

1995
01:20:47,030 --> 01:20:44,719
different personalities and i would

1996
01:20:48,629 --> 01:20:47,040
i would suspect i would say that henry

1997
01:20:51,990 --> 01:20:48,639
lee might be

1998
01:20:55,350 --> 01:20:52,000
the the hardest you know to

1999
01:20:57,830 --> 01:20:55,360
uh uh because he's so pragmatic but i

2000
01:21:00,229 --> 01:20:57,840
guess cyril is too in his own way

2001
01:21:01,110 --> 01:21:00,239
uh oh yeah i i would have said cyril

2002
01:21:03,669 --> 01:21:01,120
would have been

2003
01:21:04,870 --> 01:21:03,679
i mean had cyril wecht been the first

2004
01:21:06,709 --> 01:21:04,880
guy i met

2005
01:21:08,470 --> 01:21:06,719
this might not not have gone anywhere

2006
01:21:11,910 --> 01:21:08,480
right right um

2007
01:21:12,310 --> 01:21:11,920
dr lee i might have had the same effect

2008
01:21:15,270 --> 01:21:12,320
on

2009
01:21:17,350 --> 01:21:15,280
because dr lee is a a martial artist and

2010
01:21:19,750 --> 01:21:17,360
actually knew me already

2011
01:21:21,910 --> 01:21:19,760
so when dr baden said this kid randy

2012
01:21:23,110 --> 01:21:21,920
williams and dr lee already knew me

2013
01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:23,120
through the

2014
01:21:26,709 --> 01:21:24,719
martial arts because dr lee is a bruce

2015
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:26,719
lee fanatic

2016
01:21:29,830 --> 01:21:28,800
so that i had that going for me and i'm

2017
01:21:31,990 --> 01:21:29,840
i'm sure that

2018
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:32,000
helped me get dr lee's ear to some

2019
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:32,880
extent

2020
01:21:37,189 --> 01:21:35,120
now let's talk about we're going to

2021
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:37,199
spend a lot of time on this actually

2022
01:21:41,270 --> 01:21:40,560
now we've got to bring in the sherlock

2023
01:21:44,950 --> 01:21:41,280
holmes

2024
01:21:45,750 --> 01:21:44,960
approach um and there are a lot of fans

2025
01:21:50,229 --> 01:21:45,760
out there

2026
01:21:53,750 --> 01:21:50,239
of sherlock holmes a huge

2027
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:53,760
fan base that study and look at

2028
01:21:57,189 --> 01:21:56,400
and approach everything about sherlock

2029
01:21:59,110 --> 01:21:57,199
holmes

2030
01:22:01,510 --> 01:21:59,120
so if you're going to take this approach

2031
01:22:02,070 --> 01:22:01,520
you have to live up to the standards of

2032
01:22:04,709 --> 01:22:02,080
not only

2033
01:22:06,229 --> 01:22:04,719
doyle but the fans around the world too

2034
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:06,239
as well don't you

2035
01:22:10,149 --> 01:22:08,320
yeah yeah and i hope to have succeeded

2036
01:22:11,510 --> 01:22:10,159
in that i don't know that i did but i

2037
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:11,520
did my best

2038
01:22:17,990 --> 01:22:14,960
and and how did you uh how did you

2039
01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:18,000
how did you attempt this

2040
01:22:22,149 --> 01:22:20,159
well as i said i i had to go through all

2041
01:22:23,270 --> 01:22:22,159
of doyle's writings and of course those

2042
01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:23,280
included

2043
01:22:30,390 --> 01:22:27,360
the the holmes novels and i as i was

2044
01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:30,400
taking note of of phrases or

2045
01:22:33,510 --> 01:22:33,199
phraseology like like we must needs do

2046
01:22:36,310 --> 01:22:33,520
this

2047
01:22:37,590 --> 01:22:36,320
or that that sort of who's at the back

2048
01:22:40,709 --> 01:22:37,600
of these crimes

2049
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:40,719
and that sort of um just wording

2050
01:22:44,629 --> 01:22:43,040
at the same time i was taking note of

2051
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:44,639
methodology

2052
01:22:48,149 --> 01:22:47,040
and the the type of logic used by

2053
01:22:51,189 --> 01:22:48,159
sherlock holmes

2054
01:22:53,669 --> 01:22:51,199
who obviously never existed but

2055
01:22:56,229 --> 01:22:53,679
but the the the type of investigative

2056
01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:56,239
techniques that were attributed to him

2057
01:23:01,430 --> 01:22:59,360
by uh doyle who based him off of uh

2058
01:23:02,870 --> 01:23:01,440
one of his school teachers called joseph

2059
01:23:06,149 --> 01:23:02,880
bell dr joseph bell

2060
01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:06,159
who was really the real sherlock holmes

2061
01:23:11,990 --> 01:23:09,760
and i used the exact methods

2062
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:12,000
as much as possible to apply to the

2063
01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:14,400
facts that i knew of the case

2064
01:23:18,470 --> 01:23:16,320
and to create my own sort of

2065
01:23:21,830 --> 01:23:18,480
investigative method

2066
01:23:24,070 --> 01:23:21,840
that actually cracked the crimes for me

2067
01:23:25,030 --> 01:23:24,080
so basically other than the fact that i

2068
01:23:28,709 --> 01:23:25,040
had google

2069
01:23:30,310 --> 01:23:28,719
and i had data banks of

2070
01:23:32,149 --> 01:23:30,320
thousands and thousands of crimes

2071
01:23:34,390 --> 01:23:32,159
through the years to

2072
01:23:36,709 --> 01:23:34,400
to base my investigation upon that that

2073
01:23:39,189 --> 01:23:36,719
they didn't have back in the day

2074
01:23:40,870 --> 01:23:39,199
um i pretty much cracked it using the

2075
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:40,880
same sort of methodology that sherlock

2076
01:23:45,030 --> 01:23:41,280
holmes

2077
01:23:48,390 --> 01:23:45,040
would have used had he existed now

2078
01:23:51,510 --> 01:23:48,400
okay so let's go with um

2079
01:23:54,149 --> 01:23:51,520
uh let's go with the first murders

2080
01:23:55,510 --> 01:23:54,159
and you had talked to biden about this

2081
01:23:58,070 --> 01:23:55,520
right two murders

2082
01:23:59,350 --> 01:23:58,080
uh different locations uh how is it

2083
01:24:03,669 --> 01:23:59,360
possible

2084
01:24:07,189 --> 01:24:03,679
um how did you approach that

2085
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:07,199
with um how do i say this

2086
01:24:14,070 --> 01:24:10,560
in in in in in holmes approach

2087
01:24:16,950 --> 01:24:14,080
because we all look at there's um

2088
01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:16,960
there's almost a supernatural approach

2089
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:18,880
to sherlock holmes where he is

2090
01:24:22,870 --> 01:24:20,880
putting his methodology together and

2091
01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:22,880
there's something esoteric

2092
01:24:26,950 --> 01:24:25,760
to the way that he is able to see 3d

2093
01:24:29,590 --> 01:24:26,960
through things

2094
01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:29,600
uh which were those first two murders

2095
01:24:33,510 --> 01:24:30,000
were they

2096
01:24:35,350 --> 01:24:33,520
part of the the 11 or the nine

2097
01:24:36,709 --> 01:24:35,360
well if you're if you're referring to

2098
01:24:38,310 --> 01:24:36,719
the very first

2099
01:24:40,149 --> 01:24:38,320
murders of jack the ripper they're not

2100
01:24:43,430 --> 01:24:40,159
even included in my opinion

2101
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:43,440
in the canonical or generally accepted

2102
01:24:46,790 --> 01:24:44,960
five that every

2103
01:24:48,590 --> 01:24:46,800
most nobody agrees on everything in the

2104
01:24:51,669 --> 01:24:48,600
ripper case most

2105
01:24:53,510 --> 01:24:51,679
ripperologists agree on on five victims

2106
01:24:55,510 --> 01:24:53,520
and they're known as the canonicals

2107
01:24:56,870 --> 01:24:55,520
so it depends which two murders we're

2108
01:24:59,110 --> 01:24:56,880
talking yeah we're talking about i'm

2109
01:25:00,390 --> 01:24:59,120
talking about emma smith and and martha

2110
01:25:02,470 --> 01:25:00,400
tabrum

2111
01:25:03,430 --> 01:25:02,480
okay all right so if you want to look at

2112
01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:03,440
emma smith

2113
01:25:10,149 --> 01:25:06,960
to include

2114
01:25:13,510 --> 01:25:10,159
her as a ripper crime but she absolutely

2115
01:25:15,910 --> 01:25:13,520
was a ripper crime and in fact

2116
01:25:16,709 --> 01:25:15,920
really is is sort of the foundation for

2117
01:25:20,149 --> 01:25:16,719
my

2118
01:25:22,470 --> 01:25:20,159
sherlock holmesian cracking of the case

2119
01:25:23,910 --> 01:25:22,480
because i realized when i read emma

2120
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:23,920
smith's testimony

2121
01:25:31,030 --> 01:25:27,360
that she very clearly named

2122
01:25:34,870 --> 01:25:31,040
three suspects who exactly fit

2123
01:25:37,510 --> 01:25:34,880
the the age group the description

2124
01:25:38,870 --> 01:25:37,520
everything to do with my theory of the

2125
01:25:41,189 --> 01:25:38,880
crime

2126
01:25:43,030 --> 01:25:41,199
so she said that there were three guys

2127
01:25:45,430 --> 01:25:43,040
one was like 40 to 42

2128
01:25:47,110 --> 01:25:45,440
one was like 26 to 30 and one was a

2129
01:25:48,870 --> 01:25:47,120
teenager

2130
01:25:50,709 --> 01:25:48,880
that that attacked her because she

2131
01:25:52,550 --> 01:25:50,719
actually lived for four days

2132
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:52,560
after her attack before she finally

2133
01:26:00,629 --> 01:25:55,840
passed away due to peritonitis

2134
01:26:02,790 --> 01:26:00,639
so you know that that was sort of uh

2135
01:26:05,350 --> 01:26:02,800
i don't know a wake-up call for me

2136
01:26:08,550 --> 01:26:05,360
because i realized i i suspected

2137
01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:08,560
these guys before i realized that their

2138
01:26:12,070 --> 01:26:10,480
descriptions matched what emma smith had

2139
01:26:14,070 --> 01:26:12,080
said

2140
01:26:15,990 --> 01:26:14,080
so and with martha tabrum in the case of

2141
01:26:17,430 --> 01:26:16,000
martha tabrum using a sherlock holmes

2142
01:26:19,430 --> 01:26:17,440
methodology

2143
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:19,440
i realized from reading the medical

2144
01:26:25,590 --> 01:26:22,480
reports that martha tabron was stabbed

2145
01:26:27,830 --> 01:26:25,600
with two knives one six inch knife and

2146
01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:27,840
one nine inch knife she was stabbed 39

2147
01:26:31,830 --> 01:26:28,320
times

2148
01:26:35,189 --> 01:26:31,840
right um but but it one of the

2149
01:26:38,229 --> 01:26:35,199
the telling blow was in the heart

2150
01:26:41,270 --> 01:26:38,239
and she was stabbed all around her body

2151
01:26:44,310 --> 01:26:41,280
39 times with two knives so

2152
01:26:44,950 --> 01:26:44,320
again sherlock holmes methodology tells

2153
01:26:47,430 --> 01:26:44,960
me and

2154
01:26:48,550 --> 01:26:47,440
and data that wasn't available to holmes

2155
01:26:51,990 --> 01:26:48,560
at the time

2156
01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:52,000
tells me that very rarely

2157
01:26:55,590 --> 01:26:54,719
does it as does a murderer use more than

2158
01:26:58,550 --> 01:26:55,600
one knife

2159
01:27:00,070 --> 01:26:58,560
in a stabbing attack it has happened dr

2160
01:27:03,270 --> 01:27:00,080
lee has had a case

2161
01:27:03,990 --> 01:27:03,280
where a guy used like 15 different

2162
01:27:06,390 --> 01:27:04,000
knives on

2163
01:27:07,430 --> 01:27:06,400
his mob he stabbed her and then when she

2164
01:27:09,669 --> 01:27:07,440
was dead he

2165
01:27:11,830 --> 01:27:09,679
stabbed her and left sort of 25

2166
01:27:14,950 --> 01:27:11,840
different knives sticking out of her

2167
01:27:17,430 --> 01:27:14,960
so it has happened but it's very

2168
01:27:17,990 --> 01:27:17,440
very rare when more than one weapon is

2169
01:27:20,790 --> 01:27:18,000
used by

2170
01:27:21,750 --> 01:27:20,800
one perpetrator it's generally a

2171
01:27:24,950 --> 01:27:21,760
hallmark

2172
01:27:27,430 --> 01:27:24,960
of a multiple killer crime when you see

2173
01:27:29,270 --> 01:27:27,440
more than one weapon being used

2174
01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:29,280
so when we talk about emma smith and

2175
01:27:32,870 --> 01:27:31,120
martha tabrum which a lot of people want

2176
01:27:34,790 --> 01:27:32,880
to discount as

2177
01:27:36,870 --> 01:27:34,800
as victims of the ripper why because it

2178
01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:36,880
doesn't fit their narrative

2179
01:27:40,950 --> 01:27:39,120
a lot of times people tend to glaze over

2180
01:27:44,149 --> 01:27:40,960
any evidence that doesn't fit

2181
01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:44,159
their theory on the other hand my my

2182
01:27:47,910 --> 01:27:46,320
theory encompasses all the evidence and

2183
01:27:51,189 --> 01:27:47,920
it all fits why because

2184
01:27:53,430 --> 01:27:51,199
they did it so it fits that there were

2185
01:27:55,030 --> 01:27:53,440
two knives used on martha tabrum it fits

2186
01:27:55,910 --> 01:27:55,040
that there were three perpetrators on

2187
01:27:57,669 --> 01:27:55,920
emma smith

2188
01:27:59,189 --> 01:27:57,679
and by the way martha chaplin was killed

2189
01:28:00,950 --> 01:27:59,199
with a six inch knife

2190
01:28:02,790 --> 01:28:00,960
and a nine inch knife and when we go to

2191
01:28:05,510 --> 01:28:02,800
the double event

2192
01:28:06,870 --> 01:28:05,520
uh elizabeth stride was killed with only

2193
01:28:09,750 --> 01:28:06,880
a nine inch knife

2194
01:28:11,669 --> 01:28:09,760
and catherine was killed with only a six

2195
01:28:15,270 --> 01:28:11,679
inch knife

2196
01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:15,280
it seems obvious at this point right

2197
01:28:23,270 --> 01:28:20,000
yes yes and um i i remember

2198
01:28:26,229 --> 01:28:23,280
uh as i finished uh

2199
01:28:28,149 --> 01:28:26,239
the autumn of terror your book and i

2200
01:28:30,310 --> 01:28:28,159
started to read it the second time

2201
01:28:32,149 --> 01:28:30,320
uh i thought to myself they're so

2202
01:28:33,990 --> 01:28:32,159
honored that you did that well

2203
01:28:35,910 --> 01:28:34,000
well and we've talked about this a lot

2204
01:28:39,270 --> 01:28:35,920
for sure but the thing is

2205
01:28:42,470 --> 01:28:39,280
is i was taken back in time

2206
01:28:46,149 --> 01:28:42,480
um i pictured everything

2207
01:28:49,830 --> 01:28:46,159
how um and especially the third body

2208
01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:49,840
right uh mary uh nichols and

2209
01:28:54,070 --> 01:28:51,600
who discovered the body and how that was

2210
01:28:55,990 --> 01:28:54,080
put together i have not forgotten

2211
01:28:57,510 --> 01:28:56,000
any of this and the way that you've laid

2212
01:29:01,030 --> 01:28:57,520
it out it seems

2213
01:29:01,510 --> 01:29:01,040
obvious now right it seems more simple

2214
01:29:04,790 --> 01:29:01,520
but

2215
01:29:05,669 --> 01:29:04,800
want everybody to go and read the books

2216
01:29:08,470 --> 01:29:05,679
so they can

2217
01:29:09,030 --> 01:29:08,480
understand what i am actually trying to

2218
01:29:11,590 --> 01:29:09,040
say here

2219
01:29:12,950 --> 01:29:11,600
it is uh just absolutely tremendous we

2220
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welcome back feed the black i'm yours

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jimmy church tonight randy williams is

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here we're discussing

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jack the ripper and how sherlock holmes

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should have should have solved the case

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now i want to say this before we move on

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best jack the ripper song of all time

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come on randy um i'm gonna say

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it could be screaming lord such yeah

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that's strong

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but i'm going with the ripper i'm going

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with the ripper

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or the fuzz stones no no did they do it

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no uh judas priest version of

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judas preaches oh yeah you know that

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oh man somebody just posted now uh we're

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gonna continue we're gonna

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continue to dive deep in this uh but a

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third stone studios just tweeted out and

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i didn't know this because

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i am watching the series right now the

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hbo mini series the third day

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took place on an island called osea

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founded by a descendant of

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jack the ripper um did you have you seen

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the series yet

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i have not okay all right i'm gonna just

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stop right there

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because i didn't know this and i'm in

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the middle of the series now

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and this changes things okay great all

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right fantastic

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01:36:28,149 --> 01:36:26,400
so i'm going to continue uh watching uh

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01:36:30,070 --> 01:36:28,159
it's a pretty good series pretty pretty

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01:36:33,109 --> 01:36:30,080
crazy i mean that would be predicated

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go go on it's pretty creepy and it's

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getting creepier

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um right now i think i'm on episode

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three

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so that's it i just i kind of want to

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leave it right there

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01:36:48,709 --> 01:36:47,520
like there's a spoiler alert uh for me

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01:36:50,950 --> 01:36:48,719
because i didn't know the jack the

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ripper descendant was involved

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01:36:54,229 --> 01:36:53,199
and now i have to rethink of what i've

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already seen

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01:36:59,669 --> 01:36:57,600
maybe i missed it or it's uh it's coming

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01:37:00,390 --> 01:36:59,679
up in a future episode but uh there you

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go well

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that would that would be predicated on

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the fact that you knew who jack the

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ripper that's right

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01:37:07,430 --> 01:37:06,239
that's right that's right that's

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absolutely right

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01:37:10,629 --> 01:37:09,679
um now let's get back to this timeline

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here

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and the reason why um i want to bring

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this up because

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uh we have the five uh which of course

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is marianne nichols and annie chapman

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and elizabeth stride and and catherine

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eddows

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and mary jane kelly but uh back

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in april of 1888

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was uh the killing of

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um emma smith that was in april

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and then we have april so may june july

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01:37:47,510 --> 01:37:43,440
august four months until uh the next

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01:37:50,629 --> 01:37:47,520
murder takes place of uh martha tabrum

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um is is that

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enough i can tie martha

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because of it it happened in the month

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of august

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and it was right there in white chapel

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okay

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01:38:04,229 --> 01:38:03,679
we can connect the dots here but emma

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smith

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right going from april all the way to

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august

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well it could be if you didn't

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if you don't subscribe to to what i

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discovered

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in terms of the reason the dates were

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chosen

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01:38:25,510 --> 01:38:24,480
by the rippers um what what happened was

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i

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all of them mary jane and everybody and

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01:40:04,229 --> 01:40:00,719
so i thought well maybe every day is a

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is this theotokos thing whatever it is

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so i googled my own birthday and it

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wasn't and i googled my mom's birthday

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and it wasn't and i googled the day

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that that particular day and it wasn't

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01:40:18,229 --> 01:40:14,960
so then i googled

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theotokos what is it and it's 12 great

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01:40:21,990 --> 01:40:18,880
feasts

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01:40:25,590 --> 01:40:22,000
primarily celebrated in russia

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01:40:27,830 --> 01:40:25,600
of the mother mary theotokos is the uh

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01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:27,840
greek name for mother mary the mother of

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01:40:33,350 --> 01:40:30,400
jesus christ

2441
01:40:35,109 --> 01:40:33,360
and so i thought well that's odd so i

2442
01:40:36,390 --> 01:40:35,119
started looking and i find that there's

2443
01:40:43,189 --> 01:40:36,400
only

2444
01:40:46,390 --> 01:40:43,199
theotokos days in a year and the

2445
01:40:48,870 --> 01:40:46,400
culmination of the 12 great feasts is

2446
01:40:50,390 --> 01:40:48,880
the date that's called the intercession

2447
01:40:52,790 --> 01:40:50,400
of the theotokos

2448
01:40:54,310 --> 01:40:52,800
which is where mother mary goes to bat

2449
01:40:56,229 --> 01:40:54,320
for us sinners

2450
01:40:57,910 --> 01:40:56,239
and says i'm going to intercede on their

2451
01:41:00,310 --> 01:40:57,920
behalf

2452
01:41:02,629 --> 01:41:00,320
and that intercession of the theotokos

2453
01:41:06,550 --> 01:41:02,639
date happens to be the double event

2454
01:41:08,950 --> 01:41:06,560
day which is an amazing coincidence if

2455
01:41:10,709 --> 01:41:08,960
you want to call it a coincidence

2456
01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:10,719
because that was their what i call their

2457
01:41:14,390 --> 01:41:12,719
tour de force or their magnum opus

2458
01:41:17,030 --> 01:41:14,400
performance

2459
01:41:18,709 --> 01:41:17,040
of the double event and so you look at

2460
01:41:19,510 --> 01:41:18,719
this and and i started looking at this

2461
01:41:22,550 --> 01:41:19,520
and i thought

2462
01:41:23,270 --> 01:41:22,560
that can't be a coincidence it just

2463
01:41:25,830 --> 01:41:23,280
can't be

2464
01:41:28,790 --> 01:41:25,840
so i i called a friend of mine who's a

2465
01:41:32,310 --> 01:41:28,800
professor at princeton in mathematics

2466
01:41:36,390 --> 01:41:32,320
and i said tony if i were to give you

2467
01:41:39,510 --> 01:41:36,400
um 13 murders and 12 of

2468
01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:39,520
actually all 13 took place on theotokos

2469
01:41:42,790 --> 01:41:40,560
days

2470
01:41:44,550 --> 01:41:42,800
of which there are only 12 in a year two

2471
01:41:48,229 --> 01:41:44,560
of them took place on the same day

2472
01:41:51,109 --> 01:41:48,239
september 8th a year apart um

2473
01:41:53,430 --> 01:41:51,119
what would you say the odds would be for

2474
01:41:55,830 --> 01:41:53,440
that to have been a coincidence

2475
01:41:56,709 --> 01:41:55,840
and he did the math and did the math and

2476
01:41:58,790 --> 01:41:56,719
came back to me

2477
01:42:00,390 --> 01:41:58,800
and said well the odds against that

2478
01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:00,400
being a coincidence

2479
01:42:07,350 --> 01:42:03,440
there's not even a name for that number

2480
01:42:09,109 --> 01:42:07,360
it's a seven followed by 15 zeros to one

2481
01:42:11,510 --> 01:42:09,119
against it being a coincidence therefore

2482
01:42:13,910 --> 01:42:11,520
it's the equivalent of a dna match

2483
01:42:15,830 --> 01:42:13,920
of it not possibly being a coincidence

2484
01:42:16,790 --> 01:42:15,840
right so it was absolutely done on

2485
01:42:18,470 --> 01:42:16,800
purpose

2486
01:42:19,830 --> 01:42:18,480
so i know that was a roundabout way of

2487
01:42:21,750 --> 01:42:19,840
answering your question

2488
01:42:24,149 --> 01:42:21,760
but when you said you know there was

2489
01:42:27,430 --> 01:42:24,159
this this long period between

2490
01:42:29,590 --> 01:42:27,440
smith and tabrum and then it

2491
01:42:31,430 --> 01:42:29,600
they became shorter there are people

2492
01:42:33,350 --> 01:42:31,440
that would argue well the serial killer

2493
01:42:35,590 --> 01:42:33,360
has these cooling off periods that to

2494
01:42:39,189 --> 01:42:35,600
talk about but it's not four months

2495
01:42:42,709 --> 01:42:39,199
you know and you could attribute it

2496
01:42:44,070 --> 01:42:42,719
to that but in my investigation i've

2497
01:42:46,870 --> 01:42:44,080
found that it is beyond

2498
01:42:49,270 --> 01:42:46,880
the shadow of any doubt that those dates

2499
01:42:51,750 --> 01:42:49,280
were particularly chosen

2500
01:42:53,109 --> 01:42:51,760
as the the target dates for the murders

2501
01:42:56,070 --> 01:42:53,119
which in my opinion

2502
01:42:57,990 --> 01:42:56,080
were primarily an attack on christianity

2503
01:43:00,870 --> 01:42:58,000
an attack on the british

2504
01:43:02,990 --> 01:43:00,880
empire and attack on what was called the

2505
01:43:05,430 --> 01:43:03,000
sweating system which was a

2506
01:43:07,109 --> 01:43:05,440
quasi-slavery of the jew in white chapel

2507
01:43:10,229 --> 01:43:07,119
in england

2508
01:43:13,750 --> 01:43:10,239
and it was it was a kind of a propaganda

2509
01:43:15,510 --> 01:43:13,760
for the socialist cause so when we look

2510
01:43:18,950 --> 01:43:15,520
at the dates of all the murders

2511
01:43:23,350 --> 01:43:18,960
they all fall on theotokos days

2512
01:43:26,550 --> 01:43:23,360
other than one so one murder

2513
01:43:28,709 --> 01:43:26,560
took place on a day that was the

2514
01:43:29,750 --> 01:43:28,719
finding of the precious head of john the

2515
01:43:33,109 --> 01:43:29,760
baptist

2516
01:43:34,870 --> 01:43:33,119
in the bible um and the another one was

2517
01:43:36,870 --> 01:43:34,880
on the date that the that john the

2518
01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:36,880
baptist was beheaded

2519
01:43:40,629 --> 01:43:39,360
so the second date that wasn't the

2520
01:43:43,350 --> 01:43:40,639
theotokos date

2521
01:43:45,109 --> 01:43:43,360
actually happened to be on the beheading

2522
01:43:48,310 --> 01:43:45,119
the finding of the head

2523
01:43:49,430 --> 01:43:48,320
which was beheaded on a theotokos day so

2524
01:43:51,910 --> 01:43:49,440
i have 13

2525
01:43:52,470 --> 01:43:51,920
murders which all took place on these

2526
01:43:53,990 --> 01:43:52,480
dates

2527
01:43:56,709 --> 01:43:54,000
two of them on the same day because they

2528
01:43:57,990 --> 01:43:56,719
ran out of in my opinion theotokos days

2529
01:44:01,350 --> 01:43:58,000
to kill on

2530
01:44:04,550 --> 01:44:01,360
now the let's focus on

2531
01:44:08,229 --> 01:44:04,560
uh uh marianne nichols uh

2532
01:44:10,709 --> 01:44:08,239
and for me this is where uh not taking

2533
01:44:12,310 --> 01:44:10,719
uh uh emma smith and and what happened

2534
01:44:16,550 --> 01:44:12,320
back in april out of the play

2535
01:44:18,790 --> 01:44:16,560
but uh certainly uh marianne nichols

2536
01:44:19,590 --> 01:44:18,800
uh for me as as the book starts to play

2537
01:44:23,030 --> 01:44:19,600
out here was

2538
01:44:25,030 --> 01:44:23,040
absolute key because now the players

2539
01:44:27,350 --> 01:44:25,040
in this start to get revealed and it

2540
01:44:31,109 --> 01:44:27,360
starts with who discovered

2541
01:44:34,709 --> 01:44:31,119
marianne nicholls body right

2542
01:44:35,669 --> 01:44:34,719
well it it marianne nicholls body having

2543
01:44:38,229 --> 01:44:35,679
been discovered

2544
01:44:40,709 --> 01:44:38,239
was not discovered by one of my suspects

2545
01:44:42,790 --> 01:44:40,719
my suspects discovered the body of

2546
01:44:45,430 --> 01:44:42,800
elizabeth stride the first of the two

2547
01:44:47,510 --> 01:44:45,440
double event killings

2548
01:44:48,550 --> 01:44:47,520
i i obviously i'm getting ahead of my

2549
01:44:51,030 --> 01:44:48,560
skis

2550
01:44:52,070 --> 01:44:51,040
right but uh you know what i'm

2551
01:44:55,990 --> 01:44:52,080
suggesting

2552
01:44:57,830 --> 01:44:56,000
other thing

2553
01:44:59,590 --> 01:44:57,840
um and i don't want to get ahead of

2554
01:45:01,350 --> 01:44:59,600
ourselves but there was

2555
01:45:03,669 --> 01:45:01,360
something else that happens later on in

2556
01:45:06,629 --> 01:45:03,679
the book and that's with the teenager

2557
01:45:07,270 --> 01:45:06,639
which goes right which goes back to emma

2558
01:45:10,470 --> 01:45:07,280
smith

2559
01:45:11,350 --> 01:45:10,480
and what she says happened to her and

2560
01:45:14,390 --> 01:45:11,360
the three

2561
01:45:17,510 --> 01:45:14,400
yes uh perpetrators involved right

2562
01:45:20,470 --> 01:45:17,520
yes yes yes absolutely because what she

2563
01:45:21,669 --> 01:45:20,480
said was i i i'm not sure i'm pretty

2564
01:45:23,270 --> 01:45:21,679
sure i'm allowed to say this

2565
01:45:25,669 --> 01:45:23,280
on your show you can always bleep it out

2566
01:45:28,070 --> 01:45:25,679
if it's if it's not appropriate but

2567
01:45:29,189 --> 01:45:28,080
what she said was that she was raped by

2568
01:45:31,270 --> 01:45:29,199
two of the three men

2569
01:45:32,870 --> 01:45:31,280
one punched her and then stood guard

2570
01:45:33,910 --> 01:45:32,880
which is consistent with the ammo and

2571
01:45:36,229 --> 01:45:33,920
the other crimes

2572
01:45:38,070 --> 01:45:36,239
as you know one stood guard during the

2573
01:45:41,510 --> 01:45:38,080
double event murder of

2574
01:45:42,550 --> 01:45:41,520
of elizabeth stripe but what she said

2575
01:45:44,149 --> 01:45:42,560
was the older guy

2576
01:45:46,550 --> 01:45:44,159
punched me in the face and then stood

2577
01:45:49,189 --> 01:45:46,560
guard while the other two

2578
01:45:50,470 --> 01:45:49,199
raped me but the teenager was the far

2579
01:45:52,709 --> 01:45:50,480
more brutal of the

2580
01:45:53,590 --> 01:45:52,719
the assailants and he's the one that

2581
01:45:56,310 --> 01:45:53,600
actually

2582
01:45:57,109 --> 01:45:56,320
inserted a blunt object into my vagina

2583
01:45:58,390 --> 01:45:57,119
which

2584
01:46:01,030 --> 01:45:58,400
eventually caused her death through

2585
01:46:04,550 --> 01:46:01,040
peritonitis so he was the twisted

2586
01:46:06,870 --> 01:46:04,560
the more cruel of the three

2587
01:46:07,830 --> 01:46:06,880
which is revealed later on in the book

2588
01:46:09,830 --> 01:46:07,840
and uh

2589
01:46:11,109 --> 01:46:09,840
and the way that you do it it goes all

2590
01:46:14,390 --> 01:46:11,119
the way back to

2591
01:46:16,870 --> 01:46:14,400
emma smith um okay so uh

2592
01:46:17,990 --> 01:46:16,880
let's uh who discovered the body of

2593
01:46:21,030 --> 01:46:18,000
annie chapman

2594
01:46:23,350 --> 01:46:21,040
let's let's go that route um

2595
01:46:25,350 --> 01:46:23,360
annie chapman was discovered on the

2596
01:46:29,030 --> 01:46:25,360
stoop of her

2597
01:46:32,310 --> 01:46:29,040
of her house at 29 hanbury by a guy who

2598
01:46:35,189 --> 01:46:32,320
uh lived in the building

2599
01:46:35,750 --> 01:46:35,199
he he actually found her body so it

2600
01:46:39,750 --> 01:46:35,760
wasn't

2601
01:46:43,030 --> 01:46:39,760
actually my suspects that found her body

2602
01:46:43,430 --> 01:46:43,040
although i can absolutely prove that

2603
01:46:48,390 --> 01:46:43,440
they

2604
01:46:50,790 --> 01:46:48,400
think it was a guy if i'm not mistaken i

2605
01:46:53,990 --> 01:46:50,800
think his name was richardson

2606
01:46:57,750 --> 01:46:54,000
who lived at 29 hanbury street and

2607
01:46:59,750 --> 01:46:57,760
he was the one who who found her first

2608
01:47:01,430 --> 01:46:59,760
i i believe it was a guy called

2609
01:47:01,990 --> 01:47:01,440
richardson i can't remember his name was

2610
01:47:05,189 --> 01:47:02,000
joe or

2611
01:47:06,950 --> 01:47:05,199
joseph or john but he was a guy who came

2612
01:47:07,750 --> 01:47:06,960
out of the the steps came out to the

2613
01:47:11,270 --> 01:47:07,760
steps

2614
01:47:14,390 --> 01:47:11,280
at 29 where he lived and he found her

2615
01:47:17,270 --> 01:47:14,400
and elizabeth stride

2616
01:47:19,910 --> 01:47:17,280
elizabeth stride was found ostensibly by

2617
01:47:23,030 --> 01:47:19,920
louis steamshits this is where my whole

2618
01:47:25,590 --> 01:47:23,040
theory comes into play stride was found

2619
01:47:27,669 --> 01:47:25,600
by the steward of the international

2620
01:47:29,750 --> 01:47:27,679
working men's educational club

2621
01:47:32,229 --> 01:47:29,760
which was the scene of the first of the

2622
01:47:35,270 --> 01:47:32,239
two double event murders

2623
01:47:36,629 --> 01:47:35,280
and lewis deamshutz was the steward

2624
01:47:38,790 --> 01:47:36,639
he was the you know kind of the

2625
01:47:41,669 --> 01:47:38,800
president of this club which

2626
01:47:42,310 --> 01:47:41,679
was actually not an educational club by

2627
01:47:45,910 --> 01:47:42,320
any means

2628
01:47:47,830 --> 01:47:45,920
it was a socialist anarchist club whose

2629
01:47:50,950 --> 01:47:47,840
primary objective was to bring down the

2630
01:47:53,189 --> 01:47:50,960
british government at all costs

2631
01:47:54,070 --> 01:47:53,199
he found quote unquote the body of

2632
01:47:57,109 --> 01:47:54,080
stride

2633
01:47:58,709 --> 01:47:57,119
and the first two guys out the door were

2634
01:48:02,149 --> 01:47:58,719
his two accomplices

2635
01:48:04,149 --> 01:48:02,159
followed by his wife who was also a sort

2636
01:48:05,830 --> 01:48:04,159
of accomplice she didn't take part in

2637
01:48:09,189 --> 01:48:05,840
the actual or i wasn't supposed to say

2638
01:48:12,629 --> 01:48:09,199
that wasn't um never mind

2639
01:48:15,669 --> 01:48:12,639
now um the

2640
01:48:18,870 --> 01:48:15,679
the teenage psycho

2641
01:48:22,470 --> 01:48:18,880
was he part of the social club

2642
01:48:23,830 --> 01:48:22,480
yes see and right there as a detective

2643
01:48:26,070 --> 01:48:23,840
for scotland yard

2644
01:48:29,030 --> 01:48:26,080
isn't is isn't this pretty easy to start

2645
01:48:31,270 --> 01:48:29,040
to put the puzzle pieces together

2646
01:48:33,109 --> 01:48:31,280
one would think one would think although

2647
01:48:35,510 --> 01:48:33,119
as i mentioned earlier

2648
01:48:36,950 --> 01:48:35,520
they were so clever in the way that they

2649
01:48:39,669 --> 01:48:36,960
orchestrated this

2650
01:48:40,870 --> 01:48:39,679
killing they did this killing as a form

2651
01:48:42,350 --> 01:48:40,880
of propaganda

2652
01:48:44,229 --> 01:48:42,360
which is near and dear to the

2653
01:48:46,790 --> 01:48:44,239
anarcho-communist cause

2654
01:48:49,590 --> 01:48:46,800
it's a it's a weapon that we know that

2655
01:48:51,510 --> 01:48:49,600
the socialist anarchist communist uses

2656
01:48:53,189 --> 01:48:51,520
it's been written about extensively from

2657
01:48:56,310 --> 01:48:53,199
everyone from marx

2658
01:48:58,310 --> 01:48:56,320
to kurpatkin and and even in this modern

2659
01:49:00,629 --> 01:48:58,320
day there are are anecdotal communists

2660
01:49:03,510 --> 01:49:00,639
that are using that same tactic

2661
01:49:04,950 --> 01:49:03,520
so propaganda is near and dear i mean

2662
01:49:06,950 --> 01:49:04,960
even if you want to look at isis and

2663
01:49:09,030 --> 01:49:06,960
they put out those videos where they

2664
01:49:10,709 --> 01:49:09,040
they orchestrate these murders of what

2665
01:49:12,950 --> 01:49:10,719
they would call martyrs people that

2666
01:49:15,510 --> 01:49:12,960
that die for their cause and they'll

2667
01:49:18,550 --> 01:49:15,520
have multiple camera angles and music

2668
01:49:20,390 --> 01:49:18,560
and you know while we it's not happening

2669
01:49:20,950 --> 01:49:20,400
so much now as it was a few years back

2670
01:49:25,350 --> 01:49:20,960
would

2671
01:49:28,709 --> 01:49:25,360
very well produced

2672
01:49:31,910 --> 01:49:28,719
and it was a form of propaganda

2673
01:49:34,229 --> 01:49:31,920
and so in this in this respect

2674
01:49:35,830 --> 01:49:34,239
when the murders took place the this

2675
01:49:36,470 --> 01:49:35,840
teenager that we're talking about was

2676
01:49:39,430 --> 01:49:36,480
just a

2677
01:49:40,870 --> 01:49:39,440
tiny footnote in the case and he

2678
01:49:42,070 --> 01:49:40,880
happened to be interviewed by the

2679
01:49:43,830 --> 01:49:42,080
newspaper

2680
01:49:46,229 --> 01:49:43,840
because the steward organized that

2681
01:49:50,229 --> 01:49:46,239
interview but nobody

2682
01:49:51,669 --> 01:49:50,239
would have ever dreamed that a 17 or 18

2683
01:49:55,030 --> 01:49:51,679
year old boy

2684
01:49:57,750 --> 01:49:55,040
would possibly be at the back of

2685
01:49:58,470 --> 01:49:57,760
a series of crimes like this so i can

2686
01:50:01,510 --> 01:49:58,480
understand

2687
01:50:03,510 --> 01:50:01,520
why they would overlook that and

2688
01:50:05,589 --> 01:50:03,520
and but primarily because of the way

2689
01:50:08,470 --> 01:50:05,599
they organize and orchestrated

2690
01:50:10,149 --> 01:50:08,480
the double event in such a way that it

2691
01:50:12,310 --> 01:50:10,159
would absolutely remove

2692
01:50:13,910 --> 01:50:12,320
any suspicion of any of them by the way

2693
01:50:17,430 --> 01:50:13,920
that they organized it

2694
01:50:18,470 --> 01:50:17,440
now tell me the approach now of sherlock

2695
01:50:22,550 --> 01:50:18,480
holmes

2696
01:50:26,070 --> 01:50:22,560
you know as we get to uh the situation

2697
01:50:29,189 --> 01:50:26,080
of these murders are now starting to uh

2698
01:50:31,669 --> 01:50:29,199
to add up in in white chapel

2699
01:50:33,589 --> 01:50:31,679
right we've got uh at this point when

2700
01:50:35,430 --> 01:50:33,599
elizabeth stride comes into play we now

2701
01:50:38,790 --> 01:50:35,440
have five murders

2702
01:50:39,350 --> 01:50:38,800
right we've got uh or eight depending on

2703
01:50:43,750 --> 01:50:39,360
how much what

2704
01:50:46,790 --> 01:50:43,760
or or eight yes exactly now um

2705
01:50:49,669 --> 01:50:46,800
by the time we get to elizabeth's stride

2706
01:50:52,950 --> 01:50:49,679
um how does sherlock holmes start to put

2707
01:50:54,790 --> 01:50:52,960
this together well what happens

2708
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:54,800
i'm really glad you asked that what

2709
01:50:59,750 --> 01:50:56,400
happens in my book is i

2710
01:51:02,950 --> 01:50:59,760
incorporated this guy into my book

2711
01:51:06,070 --> 01:51:02,960
uh pc daniel rumbalow

2712
01:51:08,629 --> 01:51:06,080
and he's based upon a very very famous

2713
01:51:10,550 --> 01:51:08,639
ripperologist who has become a very dear

2714
01:51:12,310 --> 01:51:10,560
friend of mine in in the interim

2715
01:51:14,470 --> 01:51:12,320
called donald rumbleo who was also a

2716
01:51:16,149 --> 01:51:14,480
policeman and in my book this

2717
01:51:18,310 --> 01:51:16,159
his badge number is the same as donald

2718
01:51:21,589 --> 01:51:18,320
rumbleos was

2719
01:51:23,910 --> 01:51:21,599
so in my book daniel rumbello

2720
01:51:26,229 --> 01:51:23,920
takes holmes on a tour of the murder

2721
01:51:28,790 --> 01:51:26,239
scenes which is kind of ironic because

2722
01:51:30,629 --> 01:51:28,800
uh donald rumbello made his living after

2723
01:51:32,950 --> 01:51:30,639
having retired as a policeman

2724
01:51:33,910 --> 01:51:32,960
doing ripper tours around whitechapel

2725
01:51:38,070 --> 01:51:33,920
you probably met

2726
01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:38,080
him so in the book

2727
01:51:42,550 --> 01:51:41,760
rumbleo takes holmes and watson to the

2728
01:51:44,629 --> 01:51:42,560
scene of

2729
01:51:45,990 --> 01:51:44,639
the stride killing which is the iwmec

2730
01:51:47,910 --> 01:51:46,000
the men's club

2731
01:52:02,870 --> 01:51:47,920
and holmes finds the grape stems that

2732
01:52:04,709 --> 01:52:02,880
are covered in blood

2733
01:52:06,629 --> 01:52:04,719
finds these bloody gravestones they were

2734
01:52:08,550 --> 01:52:06,639
actually found by two private detectives

2735
01:52:10,870 --> 01:52:08,560
called legrand and bachelor

2736
01:52:12,390 --> 01:52:10,880
the day after the double event and they

2737
01:52:13,510 --> 01:52:12,400
were caked in blood so they knew that

2738
01:52:16,149 --> 01:52:13,520
they had to have been

2739
01:52:17,669 --> 01:52:16,159
at the scene prior to the washing down

2740
01:52:20,470 --> 01:52:17,679
of the blood

2741
01:52:22,070 --> 01:52:20,480
and so we know that those grape stems

2742
01:52:23,669 --> 01:52:22,080
were actually there when the killing

2743
01:52:26,070 --> 01:52:23,679
took place

2744
01:52:27,990 --> 01:52:26,080
but holmes finds them in my book anyway

2745
01:52:30,229 --> 01:52:28,000
and he puts them into evidence which was

2746
01:52:32,310 --> 01:52:30,239
actually done by legrand and bachelor

2747
01:52:34,390 --> 01:52:32,320
so he gets this information about these

2748
01:52:36,470 --> 01:52:34,400
great on when he reads the statements of

2749
01:52:38,629 --> 01:52:36,480
the eyewitnesses there's only two guys

2750
01:52:40,149 --> 01:52:38,639
there that are saying that they insist

2751
01:52:42,950 --> 01:52:40,159
that there were grapes in the hand of

2752
01:52:46,310 --> 01:52:42,960
elizabeth stride when they saw her body

2753
01:52:48,470 --> 01:52:46,320
and yet no doctor no policeman

2754
01:52:50,149 --> 01:52:48,480
no other eyewitness says anything about

2755
01:52:52,229 --> 01:52:50,159
any grapes

2756
01:52:53,669 --> 01:52:52,239
so that's kind of where the story starts

2757
01:52:55,589 --> 01:52:53,679
to fall to the ground

2758
01:52:57,830 --> 01:52:55,599
when he realizes that there's just these

2759
01:52:58,149 --> 01:52:57,840
two guys who knew about these grapes

2760
01:53:01,510 --> 01:52:58,159
that

2761
01:53:04,070 --> 01:53:01,520
no one else knew about in a form of

2762
01:53:05,910 --> 01:53:04,080
kind of guilty knowledge so that's when

2763
01:53:07,189 --> 01:53:05,920
you know something about a crime that no

2764
01:53:08,629 --> 01:53:07,199
one but the perpetrator

2765
01:53:10,229 --> 01:53:08,639
or someone connected to him could

2766
01:53:11,750 --> 01:53:10,239
possibly know

2767
01:53:14,229 --> 01:53:11,760
and that's only one bit of guilty

2768
01:53:16,310 --> 01:53:14,239
knowledge that my suspects had

2769
01:53:17,510 --> 01:53:16,320
so holmes discovers that and that's kind

2770
01:53:19,270 --> 01:53:17,520
of where

2771
01:53:21,510 --> 01:53:19,280
ever the light starts to go on in his

2772
01:53:24,950 --> 01:53:21,520
mind but in my book

2773
01:53:27,669 --> 01:53:24,960
he sort of falters there and misses

2774
01:53:28,390 --> 01:53:27,679
that for a while and it takes another

2775
01:53:30,629 --> 01:53:28,400
event

2776
01:53:32,709 --> 01:53:30,639
which involves these same the same group

2777
01:53:33,910 --> 01:53:32,719
of guys who found the body quote unquote

2778
01:53:36,310 --> 01:53:33,920
of stride

2779
01:53:38,229 --> 01:53:36,320
who were later convicted for another

2780
01:53:39,990 --> 01:53:38,239
violent crime that took place

2781
01:53:42,070 --> 01:53:40,000
six months a little less than six months

2782
01:53:43,270 --> 01:53:42,080
after the double event and had four

2783
01:53:45,109 --> 01:53:43,280
amazing

2784
01:53:46,629 --> 01:53:45,119
commonalities or coincidences with the

2785
01:53:49,669 --> 01:53:46,639
double event that holmes

2786
01:53:51,109 --> 01:53:49,679
finally realizes and then he cracks the

2787
01:53:53,030 --> 01:53:51,119
case yeah

2788
01:53:54,709 --> 01:53:53,040
yeah let's take a second and talk about

2789
01:53:58,229 --> 01:53:54,719
that what were they arrested for

2790
01:54:00,709 --> 01:53:58,239
later well these guys were

2791
01:54:02,310 --> 01:54:00,719
were members of and one was the steward

2792
01:54:04,149 --> 01:54:02,320
or president of the international

2793
01:54:07,189 --> 01:54:04,159
working men's education club this was

2794
01:54:07,750 --> 01:54:07,199
the socialist anarchist organization and

2795
01:54:10,470 --> 01:54:07,760
within

2796
01:54:12,990 --> 01:54:10,480
the jewish community especially with the

2797
01:54:15,910 --> 01:54:13,000
ripper crimes there was this growing

2798
01:54:18,709 --> 01:54:15,920
anti-semitism within england because

2799
01:54:19,669 --> 01:54:18,719
all of the eyewitnesses would say this

2800
01:54:22,790 --> 01:54:19,679
guy was a jew

2801
01:54:24,709 --> 01:54:22,800
who the ripper was a jew even

2802
01:54:27,350 --> 01:54:24,719
the the star eyewitness to the double

2803
01:54:29,510 --> 01:54:27,360
event was a jewish hungarian jewish guy

2804
01:54:30,470 --> 01:54:29,520
called israel schwartz and he swore that

2805
01:54:32,629 --> 01:54:30,480
the murderer

2806
01:54:34,070 --> 01:54:32,639
had an accomplice and they were jewish

2807
01:54:37,510 --> 01:54:34,080
because he heard them

2808
01:54:39,990 --> 01:54:37,520
calling each other by a jewish

2809
01:54:41,350 --> 01:54:40,000
the name of a jewish man who was in the

2810
01:54:43,830 --> 01:54:41,360
news at that time

2811
01:54:44,390 --> 01:54:43,840
as as sort of having been railroaded for

2812
01:54:47,990 --> 01:54:44,400
the

2813
01:54:49,270 --> 01:54:48,000
thought he was innocent of it turned out

2814
01:54:51,990 --> 01:54:49,280
he was guilty of it

2815
01:54:52,709 --> 01:54:52,000
but it was a guy called israel lipsky

2816
01:54:55,990 --> 01:54:52,719
and so

2817
01:54:59,350 --> 01:54:56,000
when israel schwartz walked

2818
01:55:01,750 --> 01:54:59,360
in on the the murder of stride he heard

2819
01:55:02,870 --> 01:55:01,760
one of the murderers shout to a guy

2820
01:55:07,510 --> 01:55:02,880
across the street

2821
01:55:10,390 --> 01:55:07,520
lipsky and that he it struck him as a

2822
01:55:10,870 --> 01:55:10,400
as a warning or as a there was some

2823
01:55:13,430 --> 01:55:10,880
something

2824
01:55:13,990 --> 01:55:13,440
threatening about that that name and he

2825
01:55:17,589 --> 01:55:14,000
knew

2826
01:55:19,750 --> 01:55:17,599
lipsky was a person that was

2827
01:55:21,270 --> 01:55:19,760
held high in the jewish community as a

2828
01:55:23,270 --> 01:55:21,280
sort of a martyr

2829
01:55:26,070 --> 01:55:23,280
who was being railroaded for this murder

2830
01:55:30,390 --> 01:55:26,080
that they didn't believe he committed

2831
01:55:31,990 --> 01:55:30,400
so he knew that the rippers were jewish

2832
01:55:33,990 --> 01:55:32,000
and so what was happening is this was

2833
01:55:34,870 --> 01:55:34,000
causing a lot of dissent within the

2834
01:55:37,189 --> 01:55:34,880
community

2835
01:55:37,990 --> 01:55:37,199
and there were sort of anti-jewish riots

2836
01:55:40,950 --> 01:55:38,000
there was

2837
01:55:42,310 --> 01:55:40,960
a lot of um dissent within the community

2838
01:55:45,030 --> 01:55:42,320
and people were attacking

2839
01:55:46,870 --> 01:55:45,040
jewish people george lusk the head of

2840
01:55:48,070 --> 01:55:46,880
the white chapel vigilance committee was

2841
01:55:51,189 --> 01:55:48,080
said to have been

2842
01:55:53,030 --> 01:55:51,199
beating innocent jews in the name of

2843
01:55:57,189 --> 01:55:53,040
catching the ripper

2844
01:55:59,189 --> 01:55:57,199
sort of a vigilante guy and and so

2845
01:56:02,550 --> 01:55:59,199
what what happened was these guys were

2846
01:56:05,830 --> 01:56:02,560
were members of this club that was very

2847
01:56:06,310 --> 01:56:05,840
militant and their approach to solving

2848
01:56:09,910 --> 01:56:06,320
the

2849
01:56:11,750 --> 01:56:09,920
was

2850
01:56:13,189 --> 01:56:11,760
it's very much like the situation we

2851
01:56:16,229 --> 01:56:13,199
have today with

2852
01:56:16,870 --> 01:56:16,239
um black lives matter where there are

2853
01:56:20,070 --> 01:56:16,880
certain

2854
01:56:22,310 --> 01:56:20,080
uh factions of the community who believe

2855
01:56:23,109 --> 01:56:22,320
in a peaceful resolution like a martin

2856
01:56:26,870 --> 01:56:23,119
luther king

2857
01:56:28,950 --> 01:56:26,880
type of peaceful resolution to uh

2858
01:56:30,709 --> 01:56:28,960
racial unrest and then there are other

2859
01:56:32,629 --> 01:56:30,719
people that are more radical let's burn

2860
01:56:34,790 --> 01:56:32,639
the system down let's burn it down let's

2861
01:56:37,030 --> 01:56:34,800
tear down statues let's tear down

2862
01:56:39,350 --> 01:56:37,040
people's homes so that there are sort of

2863
01:56:41,189 --> 01:56:39,360
different factions within the community

2864
01:56:42,550 --> 01:56:41,199
that both really want the same result

2865
01:56:43,669 --> 01:56:42,560
but they have a different way of coming

2866
01:56:46,790 --> 01:56:43,679
about

2867
01:56:48,870 --> 01:56:46,800
um achieving it and so there were

2868
01:56:52,149 --> 01:56:48,880
different factions within the jewish

2869
01:56:55,430 --> 01:56:52,159
community so this group of guys

2870
01:56:58,470 --> 01:56:55,440
that included the rippers led a

2871
01:57:01,350 --> 01:56:58,480
socialist riot and they marched

2872
01:57:03,030 --> 01:57:01,360
to the scene of the set of the second

2873
01:57:04,629 --> 01:57:03,040
murder of the double event which was

2874
01:57:08,070 --> 01:57:04,639
mitre square

2875
01:57:10,310 --> 01:57:08,080
but it actually happened to be directly

2876
01:57:11,189 --> 01:57:10,320
opposite the synagogue of their worst

2877
01:57:13,830 --> 01:57:11,199
enemy

2878
01:57:14,550 --> 01:57:13,840
chief rabbi adler who was of the

2879
01:57:17,510 --> 01:57:14,560
peaceful

2880
01:57:19,270 --> 01:57:17,520
sort of sec the the the element of the

2881
01:57:20,870 --> 01:57:19,280
jewish population that wanted to work

2882
01:57:25,030 --> 01:57:20,880
with the gentile and

2883
01:57:28,709 --> 01:57:25,040
and resolve peacefully the the troubles

2884
01:57:32,390 --> 01:57:28,719
so they had uh these two factions and

2885
01:57:35,430 --> 01:57:32,400
this group from the iwmec that included

2886
01:57:37,030 --> 01:57:35,440
the ripper crew went to this synagogue

2887
01:57:38,870 --> 01:57:37,040
and protested and

2888
01:57:40,870 --> 01:57:38,880
this guy chief rabbi adler called the

2889
01:57:43,750 --> 01:57:40,880
police on them so they were forced to

2890
01:57:44,229 --> 01:57:43,760
to leave but in the process they beat up

2891
01:57:47,109 --> 01:57:44,239
a guy

2892
01:57:48,870 --> 01:57:47,119
who was a member of the adler camp whose

2893
01:57:51,350 --> 01:57:48,880
name was israel sunshine

2894
01:57:52,470 --> 01:57:51,360
not to be confused with israel schwartz

2895
01:57:54,950 --> 01:57:52,480
and they beat this guy

2896
01:57:57,109 --> 01:57:54,960
israel sunshine to a bloody pulp now why

2897
01:57:58,229 --> 01:57:57,119
that's significant is because israel

2898
01:58:01,430 --> 01:57:58,239
sunshine

2899
01:58:05,510 --> 01:58:01,440
who was their mortal enemy lived

2900
01:58:07,350 --> 01:58:05,520
at 119 gulstan street

2901
01:58:08,550 --> 01:58:07,360
the wentworth model dwellings where we

2902
01:58:10,149 --> 01:58:08,560
know the

2903
01:58:11,910 --> 01:58:10,159
jews or the men that will not be blamed

2904
01:58:13,430 --> 01:58:11,920
for nothing graffito was left on the

2905
01:58:15,669 --> 01:58:13,440
wall

2906
01:58:17,430 --> 01:58:15,679
so it just so happens that the guy that

2907
01:58:19,510 --> 01:58:17,440
lived in that building

2908
01:58:21,270 --> 01:58:19,520
was beaten by these guys so that's

2909
01:58:22,790 --> 01:58:21,280
coincidence number two

2910
01:58:25,109 --> 01:58:22,800
the coincidence number one was that they

2911
01:58:28,629 --> 01:58:25,119
marched to the synagogue

2912
01:58:30,629 --> 01:58:28,639
which was directly opposite mitre square

2913
01:58:32,470 --> 01:58:30,639
then they marched back to their own club

2914
01:58:33,990 --> 01:58:32,480
coincidence number three which was the

2915
01:58:36,629 --> 01:58:34,000
scene of the set the first double

2916
01:58:39,270 --> 01:58:36,639
event murder then they dragged a

2917
01:58:42,790 --> 01:58:39,280
policeman called pc frost

2918
01:58:45,430 --> 01:58:42,800
into the exact alleyway to the exact

2919
01:58:48,070 --> 01:58:45,440
spot where elizabeth stride was dragged

2920
01:58:49,910 --> 01:58:48,080
and they beat him to a bloody pulp they

2921
01:58:53,510 --> 01:58:49,920
kicked him nearly broke his leg

2922
01:58:55,510 --> 01:58:53,520
they beat him with sticks and when the

2923
01:58:56,629 --> 01:58:55,520
rest of the police came to arrest them

2924
01:58:59,189 --> 01:58:56,639
deem shirts

2925
01:59:00,790 --> 01:58:59,199
the leader of the club's wife came out

2926
01:59:03,750 --> 01:59:00,800
with her hair broom and started beating

2927
01:59:06,070 --> 01:59:03,760
the policemen so they were all arrested

2928
01:59:07,510 --> 01:59:06,080
for this subsequent violent crime which

2929
01:59:09,430 --> 01:59:07,520
had all these

2930
01:59:12,149 --> 01:59:09,440
these commonalities with the double

2931
01:59:15,270 --> 01:59:12,159
event you had all three crime scenes

2932
01:59:15,990 --> 01:59:15,280
of the double event tied in you had all

2933
01:59:17,510 --> 01:59:16,000
four of the first

2934
01:59:19,669 --> 01:59:17,520
people that came out of the door when

2935
01:59:22,709 --> 01:59:19,679
the body was found

2936
01:59:23,990 --> 01:59:22,719
you had the ghoulston street graffito

2937
01:59:25,910 --> 01:59:24,000
site tied in

2938
01:59:28,310 --> 01:59:25,920
and you had the exact spot where stride

2939
01:59:29,510 --> 01:59:28,320
was killed is the exact spot they

2940
01:59:31,350 --> 01:59:29,520
dragged the policemen

2941
01:59:33,030 --> 01:59:31,360
which to me says they were comfortable

2942
01:59:34,470 --> 01:59:33,040
there that was their comfort zone

2943
01:59:36,149 --> 01:59:34,480
they knew that they could drag someone

2944
01:59:39,350 --> 01:59:36,159
in there and commit a crime

2945
01:59:41,350 --> 01:59:39,360
and they reenacted kind of the violence

2946
01:59:43,430 --> 01:59:41,360
of the the double event so if we

2947
01:59:44,950 --> 01:59:43,440
you know a lot of times people in in

2948
01:59:47,430 --> 01:59:44,960
criminology will say

2949
01:59:49,669 --> 01:59:47,440
the best predictor of future behavior is

2950
01:59:52,149 --> 01:59:49,679
past behavior

2951
01:59:53,669 --> 01:59:52,159
so if you look at the ripper crimes you

2952
01:59:55,109 --> 01:59:53,679
might say well there's no past behavior

2953
01:59:55,910 --> 01:59:55,119
there where's your past behavior well

2954
01:59:57,830 --> 01:59:55,920
actually

2955
01:59:59,270 --> 01:59:57,840
one of my suspects had a rape conviction

2956
02:00:01,109 --> 01:59:59,280
in 1886

2957
02:00:03,109 --> 02:00:01,119
two years prior to the ripper killings

2958
02:00:05,430 --> 02:00:03,119
so there's some past behavior for you

2959
02:00:06,709 --> 02:00:05,440
but if you look at the violence that was

2960
02:00:09,910 --> 02:00:06,719
visited upon pc

2961
02:00:12,550 --> 02:00:09,920
frost and israel sunshine there

2962
02:00:13,109 --> 02:00:12,560
is where's the violence that preceded

2963
02:00:17,350 --> 02:00:13,119
that

2964
02:00:19,669 --> 02:00:17,360
going to continue

2965
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3040
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this is made to black make contact

3041
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listen i know and you know that you've

3042
02:03:43,510 --> 02:03:41,360
always wanted your first crystal skull

3043
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or maybe you're a collector just like me

3044
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but you just don't know where to go

3045
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to find the real thing then i met

3046
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carolyn ford over at einstein the

3047
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3048
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3049
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3050
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3051
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3052
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3053
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3054
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3055
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3056
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3057
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3058
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3059
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3060
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3087
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3088
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3089
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3090
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3091
02:06:01,830 --> 02:05:43,280
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3092
02:06:05,109 --> 02:06:03,589
welcome back fade to black i'm yours to

3093
02:06:06,629 --> 02:06:05,119
be church tonight our guest randy

3094
02:06:08,870 --> 02:06:06,639
williams we're talking about his book

3095
02:06:11,510 --> 02:06:08,880
the autumn of terror

3096
02:06:12,470 --> 02:06:11,520
sherlock holmes solves jack the ripper

3097
02:06:14,790 --> 02:06:12,480
it's a great read

3098
02:06:17,030 --> 02:06:14,800
great book we have the links for over

3099
02:06:18,310 --> 02:06:17,040
there at jimmychurchradio.com and you

3100
02:06:19,990 --> 02:06:18,320
can click on it

3101
02:06:22,149 --> 02:06:20,000
and uh go and get the it's just a

3102
02:06:27,270 --> 02:06:22,159
fantastic read fantastic read

3103
02:06:29,030 --> 02:06:27,280
um aaron uh aaron aaron cosminski

3104
02:06:30,470 --> 02:06:29,040
i want that einstein skull by the way

3105
02:06:32,709 --> 02:06:30,480
you know you know the mafia killed

3106
02:06:35,189 --> 02:06:32,719
einstein they said he knew too much

3107
02:06:36,629 --> 02:06:35,199
is that right is that your next book

3108
02:06:39,990 --> 02:06:36,639
that would no that was a bad joke

3109
02:06:43,830 --> 02:06:40,000
okay sorry sherlock holmes

3110
02:06:45,990 --> 02:06:43,840
solves the murder now

3111
02:06:47,270 --> 02:06:46,000
a couple of things uh i don't want to

3112
02:06:48,950 --> 02:06:47,280
run out of time tonight

3113
02:06:50,629 --> 02:06:48,960
and we can certainly run into overtime

3114
02:06:52,950 --> 02:06:50,639
if we do um

3115
02:06:54,550 --> 02:06:52,960
but uh there's a couple of elements i

3116
02:06:55,030 --> 02:06:54,560
want to bring into play here first off

3117
02:07:01,990 --> 02:06:55,040
dr

3118
02:07:02,870 --> 02:07:02,000
out in your book well watson is the

3119
02:07:04,550 --> 02:07:02,880
narrator

3120
02:07:06,149 --> 02:07:04,560
of most of the book other than one

3121
02:07:09,109 --> 02:07:06,159
chapter that was written

3122
02:07:10,870 --> 02:07:09,119
by holmes in my book in the style of the

3123
02:07:12,629 --> 02:07:10,880
adventure of the blanche soldier

3124
02:07:14,310 --> 02:07:12,639
which was a was written from holmes's

3125
02:07:18,310 --> 02:07:14,320
point of view in in the

3126
02:07:21,589 --> 02:07:18,320
the canon but watson is the narrator

3127
02:07:22,870 --> 02:07:21,599
and basically though what watson lends

3128
02:07:25,669 --> 02:07:22,880
to the investigation

3129
02:07:27,270 --> 02:07:25,679
is a lot of what my doctors lent to the

3130
02:07:29,589 --> 02:07:27,280
investigation

3131
02:07:30,550 --> 02:07:29,599
because even though i solved it they

3132
02:07:33,430 --> 02:07:30,560
helped me gather

3133
02:07:34,709 --> 02:07:33,440
more evidence with their observations

3134
02:07:38,069 --> 02:07:34,719
and their expertise

3135
02:07:40,069 --> 02:07:38,079
in their individual fields so watson

3136
02:07:41,430 --> 02:07:40,079
plays the part of sort of all three of

3137
02:07:43,510 --> 02:07:41,440
my doctors even though

3138
02:07:45,669 --> 02:07:43,520
all three of my doctors have characters

3139
02:07:48,709 --> 02:07:45,679
based upon them in the book

3140
02:07:51,589 --> 02:07:48,719
um that do their own part to help holmes

3141
02:07:53,830 --> 02:07:51,599
but as the narrator you know uh holmes

3142
02:07:54,149 --> 02:07:53,840
used to call watson his boswell who was

3143
02:08:10,149 --> 02:07:54,159
a

3144
02:08:12,709 --> 02:08:10,159
he he

3145
02:08:13,830 --> 02:08:12,719
takes the reader sort of by the hand and

3146
02:08:16,470 --> 02:08:13,840
presents

3147
02:08:17,589 --> 02:08:16,480
the evidence to them as concisely as i

3148
02:08:20,870 --> 02:08:17,599
could

3149
02:08:23,830 --> 02:08:20,880
um as as sort of the

3150
02:08:25,030 --> 02:08:23,840
the voice the voice of the case he's

3151
02:08:27,669 --> 02:08:25,040
sort of the one that

3152
02:08:28,870 --> 02:08:27,679
ties everything together for the reader

3153
02:08:31,510 --> 02:08:28,880
and so

3154
02:08:32,709 --> 02:08:31,520
as he does in in all of the the holmes

3155
02:08:35,350 --> 02:08:32,719
novels in the canon

3156
02:08:37,189 --> 02:08:35,360
the original home stories watson gives

3157
02:08:37,830 --> 02:08:37,199
you everything you need to know to solve

3158
02:08:40,149 --> 02:08:37,840
it

3159
02:08:41,830 --> 02:08:40,159
but most of the time you don't and you

3160
02:08:42,149 --> 02:08:41,840
wait for holmes to explain it all to you

3161
02:08:44,870 --> 02:08:42,159
which

3162
02:08:47,030 --> 02:08:44,880
is what happens in my book as well but

3163
02:08:49,430 --> 02:08:47,040
watson is really the voice of

3164
02:08:50,470 --> 02:08:49,440
of the case and he's the voice of my

3165
02:08:52,950 --> 02:08:50,480
three doctors

3166
02:08:53,510 --> 02:08:52,960
in terms of the expert evidence that

3167
02:08:56,470 --> 02:08:53,520
they

3168
02:08:57,350 --> 02:08:56,480
helped me gather to bolster my case now

3169
02:08:59,910 --> 02:08:57,360
there's a

3170
02:09:02,390 --> 02:08:59,920
another aspect to the case that has been

3171
02:09:06,310 --> 02:09:02,400
uh talked about for so long

3172
02:09:07,589 --> 02:09:06,320
that the the the murderer jack the

3173
02:09:09,910 --> 02:09:07,599
ripper must have been

3174
02:09:10,709 --> 02:09:09,920
a surgeon he must have been a guy that

3175
02:09:14,149 --> 02:09:10,719
understood

3176
02:09:17,189 --> 02:09:14,159
knives and surgical tools and

3177
02:09:20,950 --> 02:09:17,199
and what he was doing from an anatomical

3178
02:09:25,669 --> 02:09:20,960
aspect uh how did you approach that

3179
02:09:29,430 --> 02:09:25,679
with uh lee baden and and cyril wecht

3180
02:09:32,870 --> 02:09:29,440
well i'll tell you this um doctors baden

3181
02:09:35,510 --> 02:09:32,880
wecht and lee are all in

3182
02:09:37,109 --> 02:09:35,520
they all are in agreement that the

3183
02:09:39,109 --> 02:09:37,119
ripper did not

3184
02:09:40,550 --> 02:09:39,119
possess any particular surgical

3185
02:09:41,669 --> 02:09:40,560
knowledge that a lot of people have

3186
02:09:44,790 --> 02:09:41,679
attributed

3187
02:09:46,629 --> 02:09:44,800
to the ripper however

3188
02:09:49,430 --> 02:09:46,639
this is where all of us kind of came

3189
02:09:51,270 --> 02:09:49,440
together and realized that

3190
02:09:53,430 --> 02:09:51,280
the person that committed these crimes

3191
02:09:56,629 --> 02:09:53,440
wasn't necessarily a surgeon

3192
02:09:59,669 --> 02:09:56,639
but instead a person who just

3193
02:10:02,629 --> 02:09:59,679
learned by doing very much like

3194
02:10:04,470 --> 02:10:02,639
a hunter for example in my area of

3195
02:10:07,510 --> 02:10:04,480
northeast pennsylvania there's a

3196
02:10:10,390 --> 02:10:07,520
bunch of guys who can gut a deer

3197
02:10:11,109 --> 02:10:10,400
in under a minute and take that deer

3198
02:10:12,870 --> 02:10:11,119
apart take

3199
02:10:14,310 --> 02:10:12,880
all the internal organs out of it

3200
02:10:16,069 --> 02:10:14,320
without breaking

3201
02:10:18,470 --> 02:10:16,079
the organs and without spilling an

3202
02:10:21,350 --> 02:10:18,480
excessive amount of blood

3203
02:10:22,629 --> 02:10:21,360
and so it is our opinion that the

3204
02:10:24,790 --> 02:10:22,639
rippers

3205
02:10:25,990 --> 02:10:24,800
or the the person that did the the

3206
02:10:28,390 --> 02:10:26,000
mutilations that

3207
02:10:29,350 --> 02:10:28,400
a lot of people say required surgical

3208
02:10:31,669 --> 02:10:29,360
precision

3209
02:10:32,950 --> 02:10:31,679
was really just a person who had

3210
02:10:34,550 --> 02:10:32,960
probably a lot of

3211
02:10:36,310 --> 02:10:34,560
experience with hunting in there maybe

3212
02:10:39,189 --> 02:10:36,320
in their home country

3213
02:10:40,310 --> 02:10:39,199
and had learned by doing because we see

3214
02:10:43,350 --> 02:10:40,320
the acceleration

3215
02:10:46,229 --> 02:10:43,360
of the violence we see that it went from

3216
02:10:46,950 --> 02:10:46,239
uh ada wilson and annie millwood who

3217
02:10:49,430 --> 02:10:46,960
were

3218
02:10:50,470 --> 02:10:49,440
crudely attacked and and didn't even die

3219
02:10:52,629 --> 02:10:50,480
right away

3220
02:10:53,669 --> 02:10:52,639
and then and then emma smith who didn't

3221
02:10:56,069 --> 02:10:53,679
die right away

3222
02:10:58,310 --> 02:10:56,079
it to the eventual complete evisceration

3223
02:11:01,109 --> 02:10:58,320
of mary jane kelly

3224
02:11:02,229 --> 02:11:01,119
and so in the process of of committing

3225
02:11:04,550 --> 02:11:02,239
these murders

3226
02:11:06,069 --> 02:11:04,560
it is our opinion specifically their

3227
02:11:09,270 --> 02:11:06,079
opinion that which is

3228
02:11:10,709 --> 02:11:09,280
a lot more weighty than mine that the

3229
02:11:13,030 --> 02:11:10,719
killer only

3230
02:11:14,149 --> 02:11:13,040
had a rudimentary knowledge of of

3231
02:11:16,629 --> 02:11:14,159
anatomy

3232
02:11:18,310 --> 02:11:16,639
to be able to to excise the the organs

3233
02:11:21,030 --> 02:11:18,320
the way he did

3234
02:11:21,830 --> 02:11:21,040
because it wasn't until annie chapman

3235
02:11:24,870 --> 02:11:21,840
that

3236
02:11:26,310 --> 02:11:24,880
the uterus was excised and taken away or

3237
02:11:29,109 --> 02:11:26,320
in mary kelly's case

3238
02:11:30,550 --> 02:11:29,119
the the the heart was taken away i don't

3239
02:11:32,870 --> 02:11:30,560
actually believe it was taken away but

3240
02:11:36,149 --> 02:11:32,880
it was removed and never found

3241
02:11:37,910 --> 02:11:36,159
um but the doctors

3242
02:11:39,830 --> 02:11:37,920
are of the opinion that it doesn't

3243
02:11:42,229 --> 02:11:39,840
necessarily take a surgeon

3244
02:11:43,990 --> 02:11:42,239
to have done that but just someone who

3245
02:11:46,310 --> 02:11:44,000
had some experience

3246
02:11:47,910 --> 02:11:46,320
with hunting and and the gutting of an

3247
02:11:51,750 --> 02:11:47,920
animal

3248
02:11:54,709 --> 02:11:51,760
now um okay i want to jump

3249
02:11:55,750 --> 02:11:54,719
i want to come back to this and just

3250
02:11:57,510 --> 02:11:55,760
well okay

3251
02:11:59,750 --> 02:11:57,520
let's uh let's stay right here for a

3252
02:12:00,709 --> 02:11:59,760
second but i do want to discuss aaron uh

3253
02:12:03,669 --> 02:12:00,719
kozminski

3254
02:12:05,430 --> 02:12:03,679
uh briefly uh deserves to be mentioned

3255
02:12:06,550 --> 02:12:05,440
you called me aaron earlier i did that's

3256
02:12:09,109 --> 02:12:06,560
why aaron earlier

3257
02:12:11,350 --> 02:12:09,119
yeah and is is it because i somehow

3258
02:12:13,510 --> 02:12:11,360
remind you of aaron kosminsky

3259
02:12:14,629 --> 02:12:13,520
yeah well you know the the photo

3260
02:12:16,069 --> 02:12:14,639
resemblance is

3261
02:12:17,669 --> 02:12:16,079
is almost there a little bit yeah

3262
02:12:18,870 --> 02:12:17,679
there's a i can see the vibe yeah yeah

3263
02:12:22,390 --> 02:12:18,880
it's there it's there

3264
02:12:25,669 --> 02:12:22,400
is that the one thing

3265
02:12:28,950 --> 02:12:25,679
about jack the ripper

3266
02:12:32,069 --> 02:12:28,960
is the bleep in violence the

3267
02:12:35,669 --> 02:12:32,079
anger the absolute

3268
02:12:36,310 --> 02:12:35,679
psycho aspect of of each one of these

3269
02:12:38,310 --> 02:12:36,320
murders

3270
02:12:39,669 --> 02:12:38,320
and the things that were done the things

3271
02:12:42,709 --> 02:12:39,679
that were said

3272
02:12:47,109 --> 02:12:42,719
how uh the instruments you

3273
02:12:49,669 --> 02:12:47,119
absolutely horrific violent angry

3274
02:12:51,350 --> 02:12:49,679
not to say that any murder isn't but in

3275
02:12:54,470 --> 02:12:51,360
the case of jack the ripper this

3276
02:12:57,189 --> 02:12:54,480
is some of the most horrific

3277
02:12:57,990 --> 02:12:57,199
murders that have ever taken place now

3278
02:13:01,109 --> 02:12:58,000
how do we

3279
02:13:02,790 --> 02:13:01,119
how does sherlock holmes uh connect the

3280
02:13:06,229 --> 02:13:02,800
dots here and attribute

3281
02:13:09,030 --> 02:13:06,239
this to the list of suspects

3282
02:13:10,550 --> 02:13:09,040
well this kind of leads back to this

3283
02:13:11,990 --> 02:13:10,560
propaganda

3284
02:13:15,030 --> 02:13:12,000
aspect of the case that i mentioned

3285
02:13:17,910 --> 02:13:15,040
earlier let's

3286
02:13:18,550 --> 02:13:17,920
let's look at uh the fact that we could

3287
02:13:22,470 --> 02:13:18,560
say that

3288
02:13:25,589 --> 02:13:22,480
sex sells and in the 1800s

3289
02:13:26,310 --> 02:13:25,599
for if you looked at a newspaper and you

3290
02:13:28,229 --> 02:13:26,320
saw

3291
02:13:29,350 --> 02:13:28,239
you know construction on the white

3292
02:13:31,270 --> 02:13:29,360
chapel road

3293
02:13:32,550 --> 02:13:31,280
and you saw parliament voting on such

3294
02:13:34,550 --> 02:13:32,560
and such and then you saw

3295
02:13:35,910 --> 02:13:34,560
prostitute brutally dismembered in mitre

3296
02:13:37,430 --> 02:13:35,920
square that's the story you're going to

3297
02:13:40,550 --> 02:13:37,440
go to even today

3298
02:13:42,550 --> 02:13:40,560
if you saw such a story and and so it

3299
02:13:43,669 --> 02:13:42,560
was the sensationalism and i believe

3300
02:13:46,950 --> 02:13:43,679
that what

3301
02:13:50,310 --> 02:13:46,960
what they did was they contracted this

3302
02:13:50,870 --> 02:13:50,320
young malleable in easily influenced kid

3303
02:13:52,790 --> 02:13:50,880
who

3304
02:13:54,310 --> 02:13:52,800
sort of looked up to the steward of the

3305
02:13:57,189 --> 02:13:54,320
club

3306
02:13:58,229 --> 02:13:57,199
and they basically said to him you've

3307
02:13:59,669 --> 02:13:58,239
got to really

3308
02:14:01,589 --> 02:13:59,679
rip this girl to shreds and i believe

3309
02:14:05,109 --> 02:14:01,599
that he actually enjoyed it

3310
02:14:06,550 --> 02:14:05,119
and and and became a full-blown

3311
02:14:08,790 --> 02:14:06,560
psychopath

3312
02:14:09,830 --> 02:14:08,800
but i think that they basically said in

3313
02:14:12,709 --> 02:14:09,840
the case of

3314
02:14:15,350 --> 02:14:12,719
eddos in mitre square which by the way

3315
02:14:17,430 --> 02:14:15,360
the miter is the hat that the pope wears

3316
02:14:18,390 --> 02:14:17,440
they wanted to spill the tainted blood

3317
02:14:20,149 --> 02:14:18,400
quote unquote

3318
02:14:22,229 --> 02:14:20,159
of a prostitute on the head of the head

3319
02:14:25,270 --> 02:14:22,239
of the of christianity

3320
02:14:28,709 --> 02:14:25,280
um i i think that they told this kid

3321
02:14:30,790 --> 02:14:28,719
you've got to really really brutalize

3322
02:14:31,750 --> 02:14:30,800
this woman because the more sensational

3323
02:14:35,669 --> 02:14:31,760
the more

3324
02:14:37,510 --> 02:14:35,679
it's going to draw to our cause

3325
02:14:39,430 --> 02:14:37,520
and in fact he carved his initials in

3326
02:14:41,830 --> 02:14:39,440
her face three times

3327
02:14:43,910 --> 02:14:41,840
if you there there's if you look at the

3328
02:14:45,350 --> 02:14:43,920
edo's photographs and you look at the

3329
02:14:46,950 --> 02:14:45,360
drawings that have been recreated by

3330
02:14:50,310 --> 02:14:46,960
forensic artists

3331
02:14:52,229 --> 02:14:50,320
like michael trott you'll see that

3332
02:14:54,629 --> 02:14:52,239
there's these weird designs carved in

3333
02:14:57,270 --> 02:14:54,639
your face very brutal just

3334
02:14:57,910 --> 02:14:57,280
odd these uh inverted v's on their

3335
02:15:01,109 --> 02:14:57,920
cheeks and

3336
02:15:02,390 --> 02:15:01,119
on our chin and you you look at that and

3337
02:15:03,030 --> 02:15:02,400
when you look at the picture you just

3338
02:15:05,830 --> 02:15:03,040
see

3339
02:15:07,589 --> 02:15:05,840
this odd pattern that people say oh he

3340
02:15:08,149 --> 02:15:07,599
was trying to make her look like a clown

3341
02:15:10,069 --> 02:15:08,159
or

3342
02:15:11,589 --> 02:15:10,079
he was trying to somehow deface her in

3343
02:15:13,350 --> 02:15:11,599
this ritual manner

3344
02:15:15,669 --> 02:15:13,360
and i even looked at that and thought

3345
02:15:17,750 --> 02:15:15,679
was it does it say 666 on her face

3346
02:15:19,830 --> 02:15:17,760
because it kind of does

3347
02:15:21,109 --> 02:15:19,840
but in actual fact if you look at the

3348
02:15:22,950 --> 02:15:21,119
body in the

3349
02:15:24,310 --> 02:15:22,960
in the way that the killer would have

3350
02:15:27,990 --> 02:15:24,320
been looking at the body

3351
02:15:31,350 --> 02:15:28,000
with her head at your knees and her feet

3352
02:15:33,830 --> 02:15:31,360
to your right if you turn the photograph

3353
02:15:34,629 --> 02:15:33,840
of catherine ettos in that manner you'll

3354
02:15:37,830 --> 02:15:34,639
see

3355
02:15:41,030 --> 02:15:37,840
plainly carved into her face i m

3356
02:15:41,589 --> 02:15:41,040
k three times plainly carved into her

3357
02:15:43,910 --> 02:15:41,599
face

3358
02:15:45,510 --> 02:15:43,920
the inverted v's were just where the

3359
02:15:47,990 --> 02:15:45,520
were if you could imagine a k

3360
02:15:48,950 --> 02:15:48,000
turned on its side that inverted v

3361
02:15:51,990 --> 02:15:48,960
becomes

3362
02:15:54,149 --> 02:15:52,000
the the v portion of the k

3363
02:15:55,669 --> 02:15:54,159
and the slice through her eye became the

3364
02:15:57,510 --> 02:15:55,679
spine of the k

3365
02:15:59,030 --> 02:15:57,520
and then there were three eyes carved in

3366
02:16:01,910 --> 02:15:59,040
her face and there was an m

3367
02:16:03,750 --> 02:16:01,920
carved on her chin and his his initials

3368
02:16:07,109 --> 02:16:03,760
were imk

3369
02:16:11,030 --> 02:16:07,119
so i think that to answer that question

3370
02:16:14,470 --> 02:16:11,040
i think that that kid became very very

3371
02:16:17,350 --> 02:16:14,480
involved in and loved it and and really

3372
02:16:18,310 --> 02:16:17,360
um was the brutal uh the most brutal of

3373
02:16:20,470 --> 02:16:18,320
the three

3374
02:16:21,430 --> 02:16:20,480
and he was contracted to do that part

3375
02:16:24,550 --> 02:16:21,440
because

3376
02:16:25,430 --> 02:16:24,560
they saw that sort of tendency in him i

3377
02:16:28,149 --> 02:16:25,440
think that

3378
02:16:29,910 --> 02:16:28,159
that he was the the one that was sort of

3379
02:16:32,230 --> 02:16:29,920
just told what to do

3380
02:16:33,190 --> 02:16:32,240
and i mean if you gave a kid a a knife

3381
02:16:35,349 --> 02:16:33,200
and you said here

3382
02:16:36,950 --> 02:16:35,359
carve something in this picnic table

3383
02:16:37,990 --> 02:16:36,960
what's he probably going to carve

3384
02:16:39,910 --> 02:16:38,000
he's probably going to carve his

3385
02:16:41,030 --> 02:16:39,920
initials in the table and that's exactly

3386
02:16:43,110 --> 02:16:41,040
what he did

3387
02:16:44,790 --> 02:16:43,120
um to catherine edo's and i believe he

3388
02:16:46,469 --> 02:16:44,800
also did it to mary jane kelly but her

3389
02:16:48,790 --> 02:16:46,479
face was so brutalized

3390
02:16:49,990 --> 02:16:48,800
that you couldn't actually make heads or

3391
02:16:53,429 --> 02:16:50,000
tails out of what

3392
02:16:55,349 --> 02:16:53,439
he did to her face there's uh and and

3393
02:16:59,429 --> 02:16:55,359
speaking of both of these

3394
02:17:02,790 --> 02:16:59,439
murders which uh uh i think eddo's body

3395
02:17:03,349 --> 02:17:02,800
was discovered like minutes after not

3396
02:17:07,589 --> 02:17:03,359
sure

3397
02:17:10,469 --> 02:17:07,599
shortly after uh uh strides body

3398
02:17:11,669 --> 02:17:10,479
right right right side's body was

3399
02:17:13,270 --> 02:17:11,679
discovered

3400
02:17:16,629 --> 02:17:13,280
by game shits if you want to listen to

3401
02:17:18,709 --> 02:17:16,639
him he said he discovered it at exactly

3402
02:17:19,910 --> 02:17:18,719
1am but it was actually probably a

3403
02:17:22,790 --> 02:17:19,920
quarter to one

3404
02:17:24,790 --> 02:17:22,800
right quarter whereas eddos was

3405
02:17:28,469 --> 02:17:24,800
discovered at 1 42 a.m

3406
02:17:31,669 --> 02:17:28,479
by pc uh watkins in mitre square

3407
02:17:34,870 --> 02:17:31,679
now in mitre square i i don't know

3408
02:17:35,750 --> 02:17:34,880
uh how many people are awake at that

3409
02:17:38,950 --> 02:17:35,760
time of day

3410
02:17:40,709 --> 02:17:38,960
but both of these killings and certainly

3411
02:17:44,070 --> 02:17:40,719
with eddos i mean this

3412
02:17:45,110 --> 02:17:44,080
this doesn't happen in seconds this this

3413
02:17:48,309 --> 02:17:45,120
happens over

3414
02:17:50,709 --> 02:17:48,319
minutes right it takes time

3415
02:17:52,309 --> 02:17:50,719
how did they how did how did they do it

3416
02:17:53,990 --> 02:17:52,319
without witnesses

3417
02:17:57,349 --> 02:17:54,000
that's that's the other thing what did

3418
02:17:59,429 --> 02:17:57,359
sherlock holmes uh say about this

3419
02:18:01,830 --> 02:17:59,439
well there were actually witnesses not

3420
02:18:03,190 --> 02:18:01,840
to the actual murder of eddos

3421
02:18:05,349 --> 02:18:03,200
there was a witness to the murder of

3422
02:18:06,150 --> 02:18:05,359
stride though i mentioned earlier israel

3423
02:18:08,629 --> 02:18:06,160
schwartz

3424
02:18:09,990 --> 02:18:08,639
but there were there were three guys

3425
02:18:12,309 --> 02:18:10,000
jewish men that were coming from a

3426
02:18:15,669 --> 02:18:12,319
jewish club near the synagogue of of

3427
02:18:19,429 --> 02:18:15,679
adler and they did see a guy

3428
02:18:21,750 --> 02:18:19,439
talking to eddos before she was killed

3429
02:18:23,349 --> 02:18:21,760
and they all of them said you know we

3430
02:18:25,270 --> 02:18:23,359
don't want to associate with people like

3431
02:18:26,629 --> 02:18:25,280
that when we saw him we knew he was bad

3432
02:18:28,950 --> 02:18:26,639
news we just

3433
02:18:30,709 --> 02:18:28,960
turned our heads and went the other way

3434
02:18:33,990 --> 02:18:30,719
which kind of implies that they knew who

3435
02:18:35,910 --> 02:18:34,000
he was and they knew he was bad news

3436
02:18:37,589 --> 02:18:35,920
now how they did it without any

3437
02:18:39,030 --> 02:18:37,599
witnesses was because mitre square was

3438
02:18:40,709 --> 02:18:39,040
pitch black and there was nobody there

3439
02:18:42,309 --> 02:18:40,719
at 1 42 a.m

3440
02:18:43,910 --> 02:18:42,319
and when you said a matter of minutes

3441
02:18:46,950 --> 02:18:43,920
yes it took them nine minutes

3442
02:18:48,070 --> 02:18:46,960
to do the mutilations right now what i

3443
02:18:50,830 --> 02:18:48,080
believe happened

3444
02:18:52,469 --> 02:18:50,840
and the way that me well my primarily my

3445
02:18:54,549 --> 02:18:52,479
doctors um

3446
02:18:55,669 --> 02:18:54,559
figured out that the murders were done

3447
02:18:58,469 --> 02:18:55,679
it was by by

3448
02:19:00,389 --> 02:18:58,479
at least two guys and i think that what

3449
02:19:01,270 --> 02:19:00,399
one of them did was come up behind the

3450
02:19:02,950 --> 02:19:01,280
woman while

3451
02:19:04,309 --> 02:19:02,960
she was being distracted by the other

3452
02:19:07,990 --> 02:19:04,319
guy who was

3453
02:19:10,870 --> 02:19:08,000
ostensibly trying to uh organize a

3454
02:19:12,629 --> 02:19:10,880
liaison and i think that while they were

3455
02:19:14,389 --> 02:19:12,639
talking he came up behind her

3456
02:19:17,349 --> 02:19:14,399
slipped her into a half nelson covered

3457
02:19:18,870 --> 02:19:17,359
her mouth and held her head backwards

3458
02:19:20,389 --> 02:19:18,880
and i think that then the other guy

3459
02:19:21,750 --> 02:19:20,399
probably grabbed her by the legs and

3460
02:19:23,910 --> 02:19:21,760
then they carried her through church

3461
02:19:26,309 --> 02:19:23,920
passage a real narrow dark passage

3462
02:19:28,389 --> 02:19:26,319
into miter square where i believe they

3463
02:19:30,150 --> 02:19:28,399
had already cased the place

3464
02:19:31,750 --> 02:19:30,160
the night before and realized that at

3465
02:19:32,469 --> 02:19:31,760
that time of night no one would be in

3466
02:19:34,709 --> 02:19:32,479
there

3467
02:19:37,190 --> 02:19:34,719
other than the policemen that would do

3468
02:19:39,190 --> 02:19:37,200
their rounds every 15 minutes

3469
02:19:41,429 --> 02:19:39,200
so they knew that when they got the girl

3470
02:19:42,150 --> 02:19:41,439
in there that they had x amount of time

3471
02:19:44,070 --> 02:19:42,160
before

3472
02:19:45,830 --> 02:19:44,080
pc watkins would be around to do his

3473
02:19:48,790 --> 02:19:45,840
round

3474
02:19:49,270 --> 02:19:48,800
and there was a an ear witness that

3475
02:19:51,510 --> 02:19:49,280
heard

3476
02:19:52,870 --> 02:19:51,520
the commotion of them dragging her down

3477
02:19:56,469 --> 02:19:52,880
the alleyway

3478
02:20:01,670 --> 02:19:56,479
now uh and there was another

3479
02:20:05,110 --> 02:20:01,680
another thing uh that happened which is

3480
02:20:09,030 --> 02:20:05,120
um like a piece of her clothing

3481
02:20:11,990 --> 02:20:09,040
was found uh at 3 00 am

3482
02:20:14,950 --> 02:20:12,000
uh april uh it was an apron right that's

3483
02:20:17,030 --> 02:20:14,960
i i'm remembering all of this now

3484
02:20:18,309 --> 02:20:17,040
but there was there was something that

3485
02:20:21,349 --> 02:20:18,319
was placed there

3486
02:20:23,990 --> 02:20:21,359
intentionally by the killers right yes

3487
02:20:24,870 --> 02:20:24,000
yes now that apron i'm glad you brought

3488
02:20:27,910 --> 02:20:24,880
that up because

3489
02:20:30,230 --> 02:20:27,920
the apron was cut in half and then

3490
02:20:32,469 --> 02:20:30,240
half of it was placed under the graffito

3491
02:20:33,830 --> 02:20:32,479
at israel sunshine's house on ghoulston

3492
02:20:35,349 --> 02:20:33,840
street

3493
02:20:36,950 --> 02:20:35,359
underneath the graffito the jews are the

3494
02:20:38,950 --> 02:20:36,960
men that will not be blamed for nothing

3495
02:20:40,950 --> 02:20:38,960
right but let's let's let's think about

3496
02:20:42,790 --> 02:20:40,960
that because you remember the dear boss

3497
02:20:43,990 --> 02:20:42,800
letter and you remember the saucy jackie

3498
02:20:46,469 --> 02:20:44,000
postcard that was probably

3499
02:20:48,790 --> 02:20:46,479
mailed just either just before that

3500
02:20:52,389 --> 02:20:48,800
second murder or just after

3501
02:20:54,630 --> 02:20:52,399
in which both of those missives

3502
02:20:56,630 --> 02:20:54,640
quoted or mentioned clipping off the

3503
02:20:58,630 --> 02:20:56,640
woman's ear

3504
02:21:00,630 --> 02:20:58,640
and so that was their way of ensuring

3505
02:21:01,429 --> 02:21:00,640
that the police would definitely know

3506
02:21:03,670 --> 02:21:01,439
that

3507
02:21:04,790 --> 02:21:03,680
both of the murders were were jack the

3508
02:21:07,830 --> 02:21:04,800
ripper's work

3509
02:21:10,630 --> 02:21:07,840
the stride murder and the edo's murder

3510
02:21:11,990 --> 02:21:10,640
but the ear was in fact cut off and i

3511
02:21:14,070 --> 02:21:12,000
believe the ear was what was

3512
02:21:16,309 --> 02:21:14,080
supposed to be put on the doorstep at

3513
02:21:18,870 --> 02:21:16,319
gullston street under the graffito

3514
02:21:21,190 --> 02:21:18,880
but in fact they lost the ear in the

3515
02:21:23,110 --> 02:21:21,200
folds of her clothing and it dropped out

3516
02:21:24,469 --> 02:21:23,120
at the autopsy when they were undressing

3517
02:21:26,230 --> 02:21:24,479
her they found the ear

3518
02:21:27,510 --> 02:21:26,240
like kind of in between folds of her

3519
02:21:29,429 --> 02:21:27,520
clothing

3520
02:21:30,710 --> 02:21:29,439
so i believe that what happened was when

3521
02:21:33,830 --> 02:21:30,720
they realized

3522
02:21:34,790 --> 02:21:33,840
when when pc watkins stumbled on the

3523
02:21:36,230 --> 02:21:34,800
scene with his light

3524
02:21:38,230 --> 02:21:36,240
his bullseye lantern coming in the

3525
02:21:40,309 --> 02:21:38,240
distance they realized

3526
02:21:41,429 --> 02:21:40,319
they couldn't grab that ear they

3527
02:21:43,590 --> 02:21:41,439
couldn't find it

3528
02:21:45,510 --> 02:21:43,600
so what they did was they cut the apron

3529
02:21:47,270 --> 02:21:45,520
in half why would you do that

3530
02:21:49,030 --> 02:21:47,280
they cut it in half so that they could

3531
02:21:50,630 --> 02:21:49,040
definitely leave a piece of evidence

3532
02:21:53,349 --> 02:21:50,640
that could be tied

3533
02:21:54,790 --> 02:21:53,359
to her murder on their enemy's doorstep

3534
02:21:56,710 --> 02:21:54,800
under this graffito

3535
02:21:58,469 --> 02:21:56,720
and so this apron was identified because

3536
02:22:00,389 --> 02:21:58,479
it exactly matched the cut

3537
02:22:02,230 --> 02:22:00,399
of the piece that was left behind and it

3538
02:22:04,469 --> 02:22:02,240
had blood and feces on it

3539
02:22:05,910 --> 02:22:04,479
that matched that of the the piece the

3540
02:22:06,710 --> 02:22:05,920
remnant of the apron that was left

3541
02:22:08,790 --> 02:22:06,720
behind

3542
02:22:10,389 --> 02:22:08,800
and for everybody to understand what

3543
02:22:11,429 --> 02:22:10,399
we're talking about here so this apron

3544
02:22:14,469 --> 02:22:11,439
is left

3545
02:22:15,349 --> 02:22:14,479
uh on ghoulston street and in in white

3546
02:22:19,349 --> 02:22:15,359
chapel

3547
02:22:22,630 --> 02:22:19,359
and on the wall above the

3548
02:22:25,590 --> 02:22:22,640
uh piece of the uh bloodied apron

3549
02:22:27,590 --> 02:22:25,600
was this graffiti that said the jews are

3550
02:22:31,190 --> 02:22:27,600
the men that will not be blamed

3551
02:22:34,389 --> 02:22:31,200
for nothing but curiously

3552
02:22:37,510 --> 02:22:34,399
uh if i if i remember correctly the

3553
02:22:41,270 --> 02:22:37,520
police ordered this graffiti to be

3554
02:22:42,790 --> 02:22:41,280
washed away so it was it was removed as

3555
02:22:45,270 --> 02:22:42,800
evidence from the scene of the crime

3556
02:22:47,830 --> 02:22:45,280
right yes it was

3557
02:22:49,349 --> 02:22:47,840
and that was a crucial mistake right

3558
02:22:51,110 --> 02:22:49,359
they never should have done that

3559
02:22:53,270 --> 02:22:51,120
they thought the excuse for it was that

3560
02:22:54,550 --> 02:22:53,280
it might cause more racial unrest in the

3561
02:22:56,630 --> 02:22:54,560
community

3562
02:22:58,309 --> 02:22:56,640
but it was a strategic piece of evidence

3563
02:23:01,429 --> 02:22:58,319
because when you look at

3564
02:23:01,910 --> 02:23:01,439
it was horribly misfelt as you may

3565
02:23:04,910 --> 02:23:01,920
recall

3566
02:23:06,550 --> 02:23:04,920
you know jews was either j-u-e-w-e-s or

3567
02:23:09,110 --> 02:23:06,560
j-u-w-e-s depends

3568
02:23:09,830 --> 02:23:09,120
on whose version you want to believe

3569
02:23:12,389 --> 02:23:09,840
right

3570
02:23:13,190 --> 02:23:12,399
but there were different peoples that

3571
02:23:16,150 --> 02:23:13,200
remembered it

3572
02:23:17,910 --> 02:23:16,160
slightly differently but that that

3573
02:23:19,990 --> 02:23:17,920
graffito that was left that said the

3574
02:23:21,750 --> 02:23:20,000
jews are not the men that will be blamed

3575
02:23:22,870 --> 02:23:21,760
for nothing or the jews are the men that

3576
02:23:23,590 --> 02:23:22,880
will not be blamed for nothing it

3577
02:23:26,950 --> 02:23:23,600
doesn't really

3578
02:23:28,070 --> 02:23:26,960
matter in in in my way of thinking

3579
02:23:35,349 --> 02:23:28,080
because

3580
02:23:37,030 --> 02:23:35,359
actually be anagrammed to to read

3581
02:23:39,510 --> 02:23:37,040
a number of different i actually

3582
02:23:42,950 --> 02:23:39,520
anagrammed it over a thousand times

3583
02:23:45,190 --> 02:23:42,960
myself and in in that anagram

3584
02:23:46,309 --> 02:23:45,200
i got nothing but these really evil

3585
02:23:48,150 --> 02:23:46,319
messages

3586
02:23:50,150 --> 02:23:48,160
um and it turned out that i could

3587
02:23:51,830 --> 02:23:50,160
actually anagram it to read

3588
02:23:53,190 --> 02:23:51,840
something to do with the names of my

3589
02:23:56,469 --> 02:23:53,200
suspects which i guess

3590
02:24:00,630 --> 02:23:56,479
i'm not supposed to say but for example

3591
02:24:03,990 --> 02:24:00,640
um but for example if i were to

3592
02:24:07,830 --> 02:24:04,000
read you let me just pull this up

3593
02:24:11,429 --> 02:24:07,840
here are some of the the the

3594
02:24:12,790 --> 02:24:11,439
over a thousand um anagrams of the jews

3595
02:24:13,990 --> 02:24:12,800
or the men that will not be blamed for

3596
02:24:15,110 --> 02:24:14,000
nothing the way it was spelled

3597
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according to the policeman's

3598
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recollection let me just read you

3599
02:24:21,670 --> 02:24:21,280
four of them okay it where i use every

3600
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letter

3601
02:24:31,030 --> 02:24:28,960
hell bent whoremonger swift moth-eaten

3602
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jubilant death

3603
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white-hot wrathful bloodbath eminent

3604
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gentleman jeers

3605
02:24:41,030 --> 02:24:39,280
jubilant death blow horror master of the

3606
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enlightenment

3607
02:24:47,270 --> 02:24:44,240
white hot gems on jubilant defter

3608
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hellbent woman hater and i got a

3609
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thousand of these and they're all

3610
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just as evil as those

3611
02:24:59,030 --> 02:24:56,319
now and so um ultimately

3612
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it just i'm talking about the graffiti

3613
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and

3614
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the obvious okay let me just say this

3615
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the graffiti as it was written didn't

3616
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make a whole lot of sense to me

3617
02:25:12,870 --> 02:25:11,359
right i i you know i read that over and

3618
02:25:16,150 --> 02:25:12,880
over again going okay

3619
02:25:19,270 --> 02:25:16,160
uh but the word jews

3620
02:25:20,309 --> 02:25:19,280
were there and will not be blamed for

3621
02:25:22,389 --> 02:25:20,319
nothing

3622
02:25:23,670 --> 02:25:22,399
and you try to put this together in your

3623
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own mind

3624
02:25:29,030 --> 02:25:26,960
were were the killers blaming

3625
02:25:30,070 --> 02:25:29,040
the jewish community is that was that

3626
02:25:33,110 --> 02:25:30,080
the attempt

3627
02:25:35,030 --> 02:25:33,120
here i believe

3628
02:25:36,630 --> 02:25:35,040
i believe it was a word game to toy with

3629
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the police they did a lot of word games

3630
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if your

3631
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viewers or your listeners go to my

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youtube

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video where i broke down one of the

3634
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letters sent by the killers to

3635
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to uh the guy who owned the house where

3636
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mary kelly lived

3637
02:25:52,550 --> 02:25:51,520
they they were they loved the word game

3638
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and i think that

3639
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more than anything they were they were

3640
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trying to get

3641
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the police to believe that it was the

3642
02:26:03,030 --> 02:25:59,600
jew

3643
02:26:04,950 --> 02:26:03,040
israel sunshine who they had beaten up

3644
02:26:06,870 --> 02:26:04,960
uh whether they were to beat up six

3645
02:26:10,150 --> 02:26:06,880
months later they were i think

3646
02:26:12,790 --> 02:26:10,160
trying to get the police to suspect him

3647
02:26:13,349 --> 02:26:12,800
that's why they left it on his doorstep

3648
02:26:16,070 --> 02:26:13,359
above

3649
02:26:18,630 --> 02:26:16,080
all anyone else it was a he was a mortal

3650
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enemy of the club and their cause

3651
02:26:23,990 --> 02:26:21,120
so i think they wanted to point to him

3652
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not particularly the jews per se

3653
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but i also do think that they wanted to

3654
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stir up

3655
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these same tensions between jews and

3656
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gentiles because it served their purpose

3657
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they were the militant branch they they

3658
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wanted the the strife between the jews

3659
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and the gentiles

3660
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and so i think that they placed they

3661
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wrote it that way

3662
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purposely to put blame onto

3663
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israel sunshine their enemy who was a

3664
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jew and who lived

3665
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at the very address where the the

3666
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graffito was left

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3785
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randy williams is with us

3786
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we're discussing his book the autumn of

3787
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3788
02:33:03,830 --> 02:33:00,800
how sherlock holmes would have solved

3789
02:33:04,469 --> 02:33:03,840
jack the ripper and uh what's really

3790
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funny

3791
02:33:10,230 --> 02:33:08,399
is uh i've read over the years randy so

3792
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many different aspects of

3793
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of uh uh of how sherlock holmes

3794
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would have signed sherlock holmes was

3795
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fictitious

3796
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he couldn't have been you haven't read

3797
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the book

3798
02:33:29,830 --> 02:33:29,280
some other suspects here now i'm going

3799
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to read

3800
02:33:36,150 --> 02:33:33,120
a list of names okay montague

3801
02:33:37,429 --> 02:33:36,160
john druitt uh aaron kozminski we're

3802
02:33:39,750 --> 02:33:37,439
going to talk about him in a second

3803
02:33:43,270 --> 02:33:39,760
michael ostrog john pizzer

3804
02:33:44,150 --> 02:33:43,280
james sadler francis obletti uh william

3805
02:33:47,510 --> 02:33:44,160
bury

3806
02:33:48,630 --> 02:33:47,520
thomas cream thomas cutbush frederick

3807
02:33:52,710 --> 02:33:48,640
deming

3808
02:33:54,790 --> 02:33:52,720
uh carl of feigenbaum robert stevenson

3809
02:33:56,150 --> 02:33:54,800
prince albert victor we talked about him

3810
02:33:58,950 --> 02:33:56,160
duke of clarence

3811
02:34:00,870 --> 02:33:58,960
uh joseph arnett lewis carroll david

3812
02:34:04,150 --> 02:34:00,880
cohen william whitley gull

3813
02:34:07,670 --> 02:34:04,160
george hutchinson james kelly charles

3814
02:34:10,030 --> 02:34:07,680
lechmered uh jacob levy james maybrick

3815
02:34:13,510 --> 02:34:10,040
michael maybrick alexander

3816
02:34:16,630 --> 02:34:13,520
pedeshenko walter sicker joseph silver

3817
02:34:20,150 --> 02:34:16,640
james stephen uh francis thompson

3818
02:34:21,910 --> 02:34:20,160
sir john williams who is missing from

3819
02:34:23,990 --> 02:34:21,920
this list

3820
02:34:26,150 --> 02:34:24,000
oh let's don't forget uh sir arthur

3821
02:34:26,950 --> 02:34:26,160
conan doyle and let's don't forget jill

3822
02:34:30,150 --> 02:34:26,960
the ripper

3823
02:34:33,110 --> 02:34:30,160
forgot about we did we didn't go there

3824
02:34:35,590 --> 02:34:33,120
but who is missing from this list

3825
02:34:36,150 --> 02:34:35,600
well those are the two that stick out

3826
02:34:38,950 --> 02:34:36,160
the most

3827
02:34:40,550 --> 02:34:38,960
uh you forgot hh homes uh oh yeah from

3828
02:34:46,309 --> 02:34:40,560
chicago

3829
02:34:49,429 --> 02:34:47,830
it's your guys that are missing from

3830
02:34:50,870 --> 02:34:49,439
this list

3831
02:34:52,950 --> 02:34:50,880
well yeah and i'm not allowed to say

3832
02:34:53,670 --> 02:34:52,960
their names right right but that's my

3833
02:34:55,910 --> 02:34:53,680
point

3834
02:34:56,870 --> 02:34:55,920
everybody's got to go and read the book

3835
02:34:59,830 --> 02:34:56,880
is isn't that

3836
02:35:02,870 --> 02:34:59,840
interesting you know you know i just i i

3837
02:35:06,150 --> 02:35:02,880
belt off what 30 35 names

3838
02:35:06,710 --> 02:35:06,160
and uh it's it's pretty fascinating to

3839
02:35:09,670 --> 02:35:06,720
me that

3840
02:35:10,710 --> 02:35:09,680
that your guys aren't on this list and

3841
02:35:17,990 --> 02:35:10,720
no

3842
02:35:22,469 --> 02:35:18,000
approached this as methodically as you

3843
02:35:27,830 --> 02:35:25,830
i agree now let's talk about aaron uh

3844
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kazaminsky a lot

3845
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of uh when you when you jump into ripper

3846
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research

3847
02:35:36,710 --> 02:35:34,319
these days it's pro he's probably the

3848
02:35:39,190 --> 02:35:36,720
most prominent name that comes up

3849
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um right because of that shawl because

3850
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of the shawl

3851
02:35:43,270 --> 02:35:42,080
and there's mitochondrial dna that was

3852
02:35:46,790 --> 02:35:43,280
tied to it

3853
02:35:48,710 --> 02:35:46,800
um but has has has he been totally

3854
02:35:51,910 --> 02:35:48,720
debunked

3855
02:35:54,309 --> 02:35:51,920
well by us we he has for the simple

3856
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reason that he was a mad man he was

3857
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often found

3858
02:35:58,950 --> 02:35:57,040
walking through the streets raving like

3859
02:36:02,710 --> 02:35:58,960
a lunatic naked

3860
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um he he doesn't have the intellect he

3861
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doesn't

3862
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the intellect

3863
02:36:10,710 --> 02:36:10,479
to for example perpetrate all the crimes

3864
02:36:13,830 --> 02:36:10,720
on

3865
02:36:17,349 --> 02:36:13,840
theo theotokos nights for example

3866
02:36:19,429 --> 02:36:17,359
um the the ripper crimes although

3867
02:36:22,230 --> 02:36:19,439
at first blush would appear to have been

3868
02:36:25,270 --> 02:36:22,240
committed by a complete lunatic

3869
02:36:27,190 --> 02:36:25,280
and in fact the young kid was getting

3870
02:36:29,830 --> 02:36:27,200
close to that

3871
02:36:32,150 --> 02:36:29,840
um the ripper crimes and and their

3872
02:36:34,630 --> 02:36:32,160
inability to be

3873
02:36:36,870 --> 02:36:34,640
detected or to be caught the the

3874
02:36:39,910 --> 02:36:36,880
killer's inability to be caught by the

3875
02:36:41,030 --> 02:36:39,920
the met and and scotland yard tells us

3876
02:36:44,389 --> 02:36:41,040
that this person had

3877
02:36:47,750 --> 02:36:44,399
an enormous intellect and kozminski

3878
02:36:49,750 --> 02:36:47,760
did not have that if if i can just

3879
02:36:50,950 --> 02:36:49,760
wander off a little bit on the kosminsky

3880
02:36:54,070 --> 02:36:50,960
subject sure

3881
02:36:56,469 --> 02:36:54,080
um i went recently to london and

3882
02:36:57,270 --> 02:36:56,479
went to the the insane asylum colony

3883
02:37:00,309 --> 02:36:57,280
hatch

3884
02:37:02,230 --> 02:37:00,319
which is now an upscale uh condominium

3885
02:37:04,550 --> 02:37:02,240
but it used to be a lunatic asylum where

3886
02:37:06,150 --> 02:37:04,560
kosminsky was held

3887
02:37:07,750 --> 02:37:06,160
and i just have this funny story that

3888
02:37:09,750 --> 02:37:07,760
might interest you and your

3889
02:37:12,230 --> 02:37:09,760
your listeners because of the paranormal

3890
02:37:14,870 --> 02:37:12,240
aspect of it absolutely

3891
02:37:15,830 --> 02:37:14,880
so so i went to i went with a for a very

3892
02:37:18,870 --> 02:37:15,840
good friend of mine

3893
02:37:20,790 --> 02:37:18,880
called safety chevkette who lives blocks

3894
02:37:23,270 --> 02:37:20,800
away from colony hatch

3895
02:37:25,030 --> 02:37:23,280
and we were we were just doing a little

3896
02:37:27,270 --> 02:37:25,040
walk around his area

3897
02:37:28,710 --> 02:37:27,280
and we saw this monument that mentioned

3898
02:37:29,510 --> 02:37:28,720
coleman hatch and i said so oh yeah

3899
02:37:31,270 --> 02:37:29,520
that's where

3900
02:37:33,270 --> 02:37:31,280
cosminty was held and he goes oh it's

3901
02:37:33,590 --> 02:37:33,280
right there i said can we go there he

3902
02:37:36,230 --> 02:37:33,600
said

3903
02:37:36,790 --> 02:37:36,240
absolutely so he drives me over there

3904
02:37:38,469 --> 02:37:36,800
and it's a

3905
02:37:40,230 --> 02:37:38,479
now it's it's been converted to this

3906
02:37:42,630 --> 02:37:40,240
upscale apartment complex or

3907
02:37:43,590 --> 02:37:42,640
condominium very very expensive i would

3908
02:37:48,309 --> 02:37:43,600
never

3909
02:37:50,230 --> 02:37:48,319
for you i'll send you some pictures of

3910
02:37:53,349 --> 02:37:50,240
it i would love it and so

3911
02:37:54,150 --> 02:37:53,359
so we we go there and we park um in

3912
02:37:55,990 --> 02:37:54,160
front of uh

3913
02:37:57,270 --> 02:37:56,000
in front of the place and then we

3914
02:37:59,590 --> 02:37:57,280
started to try to walk in and we're

3915
02:38:01,110 --> 02:37:59,600
stopped by this guard

3916
02:38:02,710 --> 02:38:01,120
and the guard says excuse me i'm sorry

3917
02:38:04,950 --> 02:38:02,720
but you can't come in here.

3918
02:38:06,950 --> 02:38:04,960
and i said oh well i'm i'm a a

3919
02:38:08,630 --> 02:38:06,960
ripperologist i'm doing an investigation

3920
02:38:10,070 --> 02:38:08,640
and i i badged him you know because i'm

3921
02:38:12,870 --> 02:38:10,080
a private investigator

3922
02:38:14,710 --> 02:38:12,880
and he saw my u.s private investigator

3923
02:38:17,349 --> 02:38:14,720
badge and he's like oh wow

3924
02:38:18,710 --> 02:38:17,359
well well yo yeah i'll let you in so he

3925
02:38:19,270 --> 02:38:18,720
says i'll walk you guys through the

3926
02:38:20,710 --> 02:38:19,280
place

3927
02:38:23,030 --> 02:38:20,720
so he takes us in there and he gives us

3928
02:38:25,429 --> 02:38:23,040
a tour and he's he's a polish guy

3929
02:38:28,630 --> 02:38:25,439
who by the way the 17 year old and the

3930
02:38:30,950 --> 02:38:28,640
42 year old were polish guys

3931
02:38:31,750 --> 02:38:30,960
um which is why the dna if that shawl

3932
02:38:33,349 --> 02:38:31,760
were real

3933
02:38:34,870 --> 02:38:33,359
doesn't prove it was kozminski it just

3934
02:38:37,750 --> 02:38:34,880
proves it was a polish jew

3935
02:38:39,270 --> 02:38:37,760
which my guys were so it actually

3936
02:38:41,110 --> 02:38:39,280
bolsters my case though i don't

3937
02:38:43,590 --> 02:38:41,120
believe it was real i mean it's it's

3938
02:38:45,990 --> 02:38:43,600
authentic but in any case

3939
02:38:47,590 --> 02:38:46,000
to get back to story so so this guard

3940
02:38:51,590 --> 02:38:47,600
was a polish guy

3941
02:38:53,190 --> 02:38:51,600
and he says to me you know i'm kind of a

3942
02:38:54,630 --> 02:38:53,200
i have a sort of a second side i've

3943
02:38:57,110 --> 02:38:54,640
always had this sort of

3944
02:38:57,910 --> 02:38:57,120
ability to to feel and see things and he

3945
02:39:00,950 --> 02:38:57,920
says i

3946
02:39:04,150 --> 02:39:00,960
i frequently kind of um

3947
02:39:06,630 --> 02:39:04,160
feel the presence of this kosminsky guy

3948
02:39:08,469 --> 02:39:06,640
and he says you know i know he was here

3949
02:39:10,070 --> 02:39:08,479
and and he's polish and i feel his

3950
02:39:13,429 --> 02:39:10,080
affinity towards

3951
02:39:14,950 --> 02:39:13,439
him because he was polish and he says um

3952
02:39:17,590 --> 02:39:14,960
he used to be here and he took us to

3953
02:39:20,469 --> 02:39:17,600
where he was housed in all this

3954
02:39:21,349 --> 02:39:20,479
so we took this tour and the guy was

3955
02:39:24,469 --> 02:39:21,359
very interested

3956
02:39:25,190 --> 02:39:24,479
in in the whole ripper case and we after

3957
02:39:26,469 --> 02:39:25,200
we finished

3958
02:39:28,230 --> 02:39:26,479
this little tour and i took a bunch of

3959
02:39:30,389 --> 02:39:28,240
pictures you know

3960
02:39:32,070 --> 02:39:30,399
and then we left and and and i exchanged

3961
02:39:34,150 --> 02:39:32,080
phone numbers with this guard because he

3962
02:39:36,710 --> 02:39:34,160
told me that he had a friend in poland

3963
02:39:37,990 --> 02:39:36,720
who was very good at um contacting the

3964
02:39:39,110 --> 02:39:38,000
spirits of the dead and he

3965
02:39:41,510 --> 02:39:39,120
thought that this guy would be

3966
02:39:43,110 --> 02:39:41,520
interested in talking to me and maybe

3967
02:39:45,349 --> 02:39:43,120
doing some sort of a

3968
02:39:47,510 --> 02:39:45,359
a seance or something where he contacted

3969
02:39:49,349 --> 02:39:47,520
aaron kosminski and i sort of

3970
02:39:50,630 --> 02:39:49,359
um i don't want to say humored the guy

3971
02:39:52,469 --> 02:39:50,640
but i thought you know it's interesting

3972
02:39:53,750 --> 02:39:52,479
and it might be might be something that

3973
02:39:55,030 --> 02:39:53,760
would be fun to pursue

3974
02:39:57,030 --> 02:39:55,040
so i took the guy's phone number and

3975
02:39:59,030 --> 02:39:57,040
gave him mine

3976
02:40:00,710 --> 02:39:59,040
and we after we finished our little tour

3977
02:40:02,469 --> 02:40:00,720
we got back in safety's car and we

3978
02:40:05,349 --> 02:40:02,479
started to head out and we didn't get

3979
02:40:06,150 --> 02:40:05,359
100 yards and the phone rings and it's

3980
02:40:07,349 --> 02:40:06,160
this guard

3981
02:40:09,670 --> 02:40:07,359
and he says you need to get back here

3982
02:40:11,110 --> 02:40:09,680
right now and i said

3983
02:40:12,710 --> 02:40:11,120
what's up because just get it just get

3984
02:40:14,309 --> 02:40:12,720
here just get here right now so we

3985
02:40:16,870 --> 02:40:14,319
turned around came back

3986
02:40:18,550 --> 02:40:16,880
and it was dark by then and he says

3987
02:40:21,269 --> 02:40:18,560
watch this look at this

3988
02:40:22,790 --> 02:40:21,279
and he he says that that gas light there

3989
02:40:23,590 --> 02:40:22,800
that's an original light from the old

3990
02:40:25,190 --> 02:40:23,600
days

3991
02:40:26,870 --> 02:40:25,200
and he said as soon as you guys left

3992
02:40:28,950 --> 02:40:26,880
that light started

3993
02:40:29,910 --> 02:40:28,960
acting really crazy which it never has

3994
02:40:33,429 --> 02:40:29,920
before

3995
02:40:35,510 --> 02:40:33,439
interesting let's go

3996
02:40:36,950 --> 02:40:35,520
let's go look so we walk over there to

3997
02:40:39,349 --> 02:40:36,960
this gas light

3998
02:40:40,550 --> 02:40:39,359
and the gas light was on like it should

3999
02:40:44,230 --> 02:40:40,560
be

4000
02:40:47,269 --> 02:40:44,240
and he says he says kozminski

4001
02:40:49,750 --> 02:40:47,279
um are you there and the light goes off

4002
02:40:50,950 --> 02:40:49,760
shut up and then i'm not kidding and i

4003
02:40:53,670 --> 02:40:50,960
have this all on video

4004
02:40:55,590 --> 02:40:53,680
jimmy oh man so i've been we're videoing

4005
02:40:58,230 --> 02:40:55,600
safety is videoing this whole thing

4006
02:40:58,630 --> 02:40:58,240
so i go i go it was it reminded me of

4007
02:41:01,510 --> 02:40:58,640
these

4008
02:41:02,710 --> 02:41:01,520
see where they say blink to flashlight

4009
02:41:04,550 --> 02:41:02,720
if you enjoy the type of thing

4010
02:41:07,110 --> 02:41:04,560
right right so i i was thinking about

4011
02:41:09,190 --> 02:41:07,120
that and i said to him so i said aaron

4012
02:41:10,870 --> 02:41:09,200
if you're there i said i'm i'm an

4013
02:41:12,309 --> 02:41:10,880
investigator and i don't believe you

4014
02:41:14,150 --> 02:41:12,319
were jack the ripper i know you were

4015
02:41:14,710 --> 02:41:14,160
blamed for it but i know you didn't do

4016
02:41:19,030 --> 02:41:14,720
it

4017
02:41:22,309 --> 02:41:19,040
there give me a sign and the light

4018
02:41:23,750 --> 02:41:22,319
flickers so then i said oh well that

4019
02:41:25,349 --> 02:41:23,760
that's neat but i mean it could be

4020
02:41:27,990 --> 02:41:25,359
explained away a thousand ways

4021
02:41:29,590 --> 02:41:28,000
sure so i proceeded to ask a series of

4022
02:41:32,630 --> 02:41:29,600
questions and i got these

4023
02:41:34,790 --> 02:41:32,640
blinks of the gas light um which had

4024
02:41:36,389 --> 02:41:34,800
been converted to electricity now

4025
02:41:39,269 --> 02:41:36,399
but of all the lights it was just this

4026
02:41:40,790 --> 02:41:39,279
one and you'll see on this video that i

4027
02:41:43,110 --> 02:41:40,800
i have it's on my page somewhere i'll

4028
02:41:46,070 --> 02:41:43,120
have to dig it up and put it back up

4029
02:41:48,710 --> 02:41:46,080
but this gaslight was was actually

4030
02:41:50,950 --> 02:41:48,720
responding to my questions like

4031
02:41:53,429 --> 02:41:50,960
incredibly it would stay off and i would

4032
02:41:56,389 --> 02:41:53,439
say like well blink twice if

4033
02:41:58,870 --> 02:41:56,399
i if you feel like you're being blamed

4034
02:42:00,870 --> 02:41:58,880
wrongly and he blinks twice

4035
02:42:02,630 --> 02:42:00,880
and and i asked it all these questions

4036
02:42:04,630 --> 02:42:02,640
and this light

4037
02:42:07,269 --> 02:42:04,640
basically was like interviewing the

4038
02:42:08,630 --> 02:42:07,279
person it was the trippiest thing ever

4039
02:42:10,070 --> 02:42:08,640
and then after a certain amount of

4040
02:42:11,190 --> 02:42:10,080
questions it just went out and stayed

4041
02:42:12,950 --> 02:42:11,200
out

4042
02:42:14,389 --> 02:42:12,960
but this guy this guard was completely

4043
02:42:16,630 --> 02:42:14,399
freaked out you know

4044
02:42:18,230 --> 02:42:16,640
that's freaking me i kind of wasn't yeah

4045
02:42:21,030 --> 02:42:18,240
i kind of was too

4046
02:42:22,550 --> 02:42:21,040
but um but the i guess the moral of the

4047
02:42:24,230 --> 02:42:22,560
story is that

4048
02:42:25,670 --> 02:42:24,240
you know if you want to believe that

4049
02:42:27,429 --> 02:42:25,680
there was anything to it and it wasn't

4050
02:42:29,190 --> 02:42:27,439
just a short circuit and it wasn't just

4051
02:42:30,950 --> 02:42:29,200
a series of coincidences that happened

4052
02:42:32,710 --> 02:42:30,960
to match my voice and

4053
02:42:35,510 --> 02:42:32,720
whatever you want to however you want to

4054
02:42:38,950 --> 02:42:35,520
explain it away

4055
02:42:41,190 --> 02:42:38,960
well how was uh kazuminski because the

4056
02:42:44,309 --> 02:42:41,200
mitochondrial dna part

4057
02:42:46,710 --> 02:42:44,319
came out that's that's part of uh modern

4058
02:42:47,429 --> 02:42:46,720
uh science that's that's recent stuff

4059
02:42:51,030 --> 02:42:47,439
but

4060
02:42:52,950 --> 02:42:51,040
uh back then his name or the name

4061
02:42:54,469 --> 02:42:52,960
kozminski it wasn't aaron right it was

4062
02:42:58,309 --> 02:42:54,479
just kazminsky

4063
02:43:00,389 --> 02:42:58,319
uh was brought up in the investigation

4064
02:43:02,870 --> 02:43:00,399
do you think it was another kazminski

4065
02:43:05,190 --> 02:43:02,880
and uh

4066
02:43:07,030 --> 02:43:05,200
you know what i mean that he was tied

4067
02:43:10,630 --> 02:43:07,040
only because of his last name

4068
02:43:12,070 --> 02:43:10,640
not necessarily his first well it had to

4069
02:43:12,550 --> 02:43:12,080
do with the fact that you know that he

4070
02:43:15,590 --> 02:43:12,560
was

4071
02:43:18,389 --> 02:43:15,600
a polish jew which all of the

4072
02:43:19,590 --> 02:43:18,399
eyewitnesses were saying that it was a a

4073
02:43:21,349 --> 02:43:19,600
jew

4074
02:43:23,269 --> 02:43:21,359
people were saying anyone that saw the

4075
02:43:26,469 --> 02:43:23,279
ripper would say

4076
02:43:28,950 --> 02:43:26,479
he was definitely jewish and kozminski

4077
02:43:31,429 --> 02:43:28,960
somewhat fit the description

4078
02:43:32,389 --> 02:43:31,439
and he was a person that was

4079
02:43:34,230 --> 02:43:32,399
periodically

4080
02:43:35,990 --> 02:43:34,240
as i said he was spotted you know

4081
02:43:39,429 --> 02:43:36,000
walking through white chapel naked

4082
02:43:43,190 --> 02:43:39,439
screaming like an animal and he he

4083
02:43:45,110 --> 02:43:43,200
had a somewhat of a history

4084
02:43:47,830 --> 02:43:45,120
of violence although it wasn't anything

4085
02:43:50,870 --> 02:43:47,840
like the violence of the ripper crimes

4086
02:43:53,830 --> 02:43:50,880
but he was a kind of a natural uh

4087
02:43:55,510 --> 02:43:53,840
fit and he kind of fit the the profile

4088
02:43:57,670 --> 02:43:55,520
so to speak

4089
02:43:59,110 --> 02:43:57,680
and so the the police tailed him

4090
02:44:00,469 --> 02:43:59,120
although whenever they tell them he

4091
02:44:04,309 --> 02:44:00,479
didn't do anything

4092
02:44:06,070 --> 02:44:04,319
it's because he didn't do it

4093
02:44:07,750 --> 02:44:06,080
i wanted to bring up really quick

4094
02:44:08,550 --> 02:44:07,760
because i'm going to get to h.h holmes

4095
02:44:11,269 --> 02:44:08,560
actually

4096
02:44:13,190 --> 02:44:11,279
um with with aaron kazaminski though the

4097
02:44:15,830 --> 02:44:13,200
mitochondrial dna

4098
02:44:18,550 --> 02:44:15,840
and that evidence that was presented

4099
02:44:21,510 --> 02:44:18,560
didn't that turn out to be flawed and

4100
02:44:21,750 --> 02:44:21,520
and in many ways in many ways first of

4101
02:44:26,790 --> 02:44:21,760
all

4102
02:44:28,630 --> 02:44:26,800
any solid evidence that the shah even

4103
02:44:31,190 --> 02:44:28,640
existed because

4104
02:44:33,190 --> 02:44:31,200
there was never in the police report any

4105
02:44:35,190 --> 02:44:33,200
mention of the shaw

4106
02:44:37,670 --> 02:44:35,200
furthermore catherine eddowes who

4107
02:44:39,590 --> 02:44:37,680
charlotte was purported to be

4108
02:44:41,750 --> 02:44:39,600
was a known prostitute i mean i know

4109
02:44:43,030 --> 02:44:41,760
there are authors out there now who are

4110
02:44:45,349 --> 02:44:43,040
saying that none of the victims were

4111
02:44:48,630 --> 02:44:45,359
prostitutes and they have

4112
02:44:51,670 --> 02:44:48,640
their argument for that but in any case

4113
02:44:52,630 --> 02:44:51,680
she was a known prostitute and so even

4114
02:44:55,590 --> 02:44:52,640
if

4115
02:44:57,269 --> 02:44:55,600
she had a shawl that was never actually

4116
02:44:58,389 --> 02:44:57,279
accounted for by any of the police on

4117
02:44:59,990 --> 02:44:58,399
the scene

4118
02:45:01,750 --> 02:45:00,000
and by the way the policeman who claimed

4119
02:45:02,389 --> 02:45:01,760
to have found it and taken it home was

4120
02:45:05,510 --> 02:45:02,399
never

4121
02:45:08,550 --> 02:45:05,520
proven to have been an

4122
02:45:10,630 --> 02:45:08,560
officer in the case but

4123
02:45:12,710 --> 02:45:10,640
even if you want to take all of that and

4124
02:45:16,070 --> 02:45:12,720
say oh well maybe maybe maybe

4125
02:45:18,389 --> 02:45:16,080
it was her shawl why would seaman on

4126
02:45:19,910 --> 02:45:18,399
the shawl of a prostitute necessarily be

4127
02:45:23,349 --> 02:45:19,920
that of the killer and not

4128
02:45:25,990 --> 02:45:23,359
of any one of the hundreds of johns

4129
02:45:26,710 --> 02:45:26,000
she might have encountered in the days

4130
02:45:29,590 --> 02:45:26,720
weeks

4131
02:45:30,230 --> 02:45:29,600
prior to that why would it necessarily

4132
02:45:32,150 --> 02:45:30,240
be that

4133
02:45:33,349 --> 02:45:32,160
because there wasn't a sexual element to

4134
02:45:35,030 --> 02:45:33,359
the ripper crimes

4135
02:45:36,790 --> 02:45:35,040
the only ripper crime that we know had a

4136
02:45:40,790 --> 02:45:36,800
sexual element was

4137
02:45:43,190 --> 02:45:40,800
emma smith right she was raped so

4138
02:45:44,790 --> 02:45:43,200
the doctors back then and my doctors now

4139
02:45:45,429 --> 02:45:44,800
say there was no sexual element to the

4140
02:45:48,230 --> 02:45:45,439
crime

4141
02:45:49,110 --> 02:45:48,240
so why would there be semen present to

4142
02:45:51,190 --> 02:45:49,120
begin with

4143
02:45:52,230 --> 02:45:51,200
but if there were and even if you want

4144
02:45:53,990 --> 02:45:52,240
to say

4145
02:45:55,429 --> 02:45:54,000
there was semen present there was a

4146
02:45:56,710 --> 02:45:55,439
shall let's go back and say there was a

4147
02:45:59,110 --> 02:45:56,720
shawl and it was

4148
02:46:01,830 --> 02:45:59,120
taken as a souvenir by a policeman who

4149
02:46:04,150 --> 02:46:01,840
really wasn't there but let's say he was

4150
02:46:05,349 --> 02:46:04,160
and he took that shell and he kept it

4151
02:46:07,190 --> 02:46:05,359
for all these years and then they

4152
02:46:08,870 --> 02:46:07,200
finally did this dna on it

4153
02:46:11,990 --> 02:46:08,880
the dna that they found on this

4154
02:46:14,150 --> 02:46:12,000
purported shawl of of the victim

4155
02:46:15,990 --> 02:46:14,160
um pointed to nothing more than the

4156
02:46:18,550 --> 02:46:16,000
haplotype which is a

4157
02:46:20,469 --> 02:46:18,560
technical term for a the form of

4158
02:46:21,990 --> 02:46:20,479
mitochondrial dna that was found on the

4159
02:46:25,269 --> 02:46:22,000
shell

4160
02:46:29,670 --> 02:46:25,279
it only pointed to a a jewish

4161
02:46:32,389 --> 02:46:29,680
uh a an ethnic polish jew

4162
02:46:33,590 --> 02:46:32,399
it didn't point to kozminski per se

4163
02:46:35,830 --> 02:46:33,600
specifically

4164
02:46:38,070 --> 02:46:35,840
it pointed to the fact that this killer

4165
02:46:40,790 --> 02:46:38,080
if you want to buy all of those

4166
02:46:41,670 --> 02:46:40,800
elements that are very very very

4167
02:46:43,190 --> 02:46:41,680
doubtful

4168
02:46:44,950 --> 02:46:43,200
but if you want to buy all of it and say

4169
02:46:45,830 --> 02:46:44,960
that this shawl was authentic and it

4170
02:46:48,550 --> 02:46:45,840
really was

4171
02:46:49,269 --> 02:46:48,560
the semen of the killer all that it

4172
02:46:52,790 --> 02:46:49,279
proves

4173
02:46:56,389 --> 02:46:52,800
is that that semen was that of a jewish

4174
02:46:59,110 --> 02:46:56,399
uh pole an ethnic jew polish

4175
02:46:59,910 --> 02:46:59,120
no more than that not aaron kozminski

4176
02:47:03,750 --> 02:46:59,920
per se

4177
02:47:07,510 --> 02:47:03,760
any ethnic polish jew

4178
02:47:10,550 --> 02:47:07,520
so the two of my killers the 42 year old

4179
02:47:13,510 --> 02:47:10,560
and the teenager were both polish

4180
02:47:14,309 --> 02:47:13,520
ethnic jews so that evidence does

4181
02:47:17,670 --> 02:47:14,319
nothing but

4182
02:47:18,550 --> 02:47:17,680
bolster my my theory although we none of

4183
02:47:21,349 --> 02:47:18,560
my doctors

4184
02:47:23,030 --> 02:47:21,359
nor do i believe that it had any

4185
02:47:25,510 --> 02:47:23,040
providence that there was any

4186
02:47:26,309 --> 02:47:25,520
authenticity to it and and on my web

4187
02:47:28,790 --> 02:47:26,319
page

4188
02:47:31,030 --> 02:47:28,800
all of my doctors weighed in on that uh

4189
02:47:34,230 --> 02:47:31,040
show and they all said well we don't

4190
02:47:36,630 --> 02:47:34,240
actually cyril weck said um

4191
02:47:39,429 --> 02:47:36,640
all it does is prove that randy's right

4192
02:47:42,230 --> 02:47:39,439
you're right you want to believe it

4193
02:47:43,510 --> 02:47:42,240
but the other two doctors said it's

4194
02:47:45,910 --> 02:47:43,520
complete junk science

4195
02:47:46,870 --> 02:47:45,920
they said it completely is junk science

4196
02:47:48,550 --> 02:47:46,880
and they respect that

4197
02:47:50,550 --> 02:47:48,560
the providence of the shaw can't be

4198
02:47:52,230 --> 02:47:50,560
proven but if you

4199
02:47:54,150 --> 02:47:52,240
but even if you want to take it all into

4200
02:47:56,710 --> 02:47:54,160
account and say that it really is real

4201
02:47:57,510 --> 02:47:56,720
it does not specifically point to aaron

4202
02:48:01,030 --> 02:47:57,520
kosminsky

4203
02:48:03,990 --> 02:48:01,040
right it's not aaron kozminski's dna

4204
02:48:04,950 --> 02:48:04,000
on the show which is what has been

4205
02:48:06,790 --> 02:48:04,960
implied

4206
02:48:08,950 --> 02:48:06,800
but that is not the case it's

4207
02:48:11,910 --> 02:48:08,960
mitochondrial dna that it's just

4208
02:48:13,590 --> 02:48:11,920
pointing to a group of homo sapien

4209
02:48:16,070 --> 02:48:13,600
sapien

4210
02:48:17,590 --> 02:48:16,080
right exactly right that's it that's two

4211
02:48:21,030 --> 02:48:17,600
it points to a polish

4212
02:48:22,550 --> 02:48:21,040
ethnic jew which two of my suspects

4213
02:48:24,870 --> 02:48:22,560
and coincidentally the two that

4214
02:48:27,030 --> 02:48:24,880
performed the katherine edo's murder

4215
02:48:27,910 --> 02:48:27,040
because the other guy the steward of the

4216
02:48:29,429 --> 02:48:27,920
club was in the

4217
02:48:31,990 --> 02:48:29,439
in the clubhouse with the cops at the

4218
02:48:32,389 --> 02:48:32,000
time so the two guys that i purport to

4219
02:48:35,830 --> 02:48:32,399
have

4220
02:48:38,630 --> 02:48:35,840
done the edo's murder were both ethnic

4221
02:48:39,750 --> 02:48:38,640
polish jews so all it would do would

4222
02:48:44,150 --> 02:48:39,760
bolster

4223
02:48:46,070 --> 02:48:44,160
which is why i said earlier

4224
02:48:47,269 --> 02:48:46,080
that people have a tendency when they

4225
02:48:49,190 --> 02:48:47,279
want to point at

4226
02:48:51,510 --> 02:48:49,200
let's say you brought up aj tolms or i

4227
02:48:53,030 --> 02:48:51,520
did and i don't i'm not here to shoot

4228
02:48:55,429 --> 02:48:53,040
down anyone else's theory

4229
02:48:57,110 --> 02:48:55,439
i'm here to prove mine but if we want to

4230
02:48:59,269 --> 02:48:57,120
say that it was h.h holmes

4231
02:49:00,309 --> 02:48:59,279
he wasn't a polish ethnic jew so that

4232
02:49:03,670 --> 02:49:00,319
shoots him down

4233
02:49:05,190 --> 02:49:03,680
although you're answering my questions

4234
02:49:07,510 --> 02:49:05,200
before i can ask them

4235
02:49:09,830 --> 02:49:07,520
that's not fair randy that's not funny

4236
02:49:12,950 --> 02:49:09,840
i'm sorry yeah

4237
02:49:15,429 --> 02:49:12,960
but let's talk about homes for a second

4238
02:49:16,150 --> 02:49:15,439
um oh let's do yeah let's talk about hh

4239
02:49:19,269 --> 02:49:16,160
homes

4240
02:49:20,950 --> 02:49:19,279
now the only thing now i want your

4241
02:49:23,750 --> 02:49:20,960
opinion here

4242
02:49:24,950 --> 02:49:23,760
and it's not the only thing but if there

4243
02:49:27,750 --> 02:49:24,960
is

4244
02:49:28,550 --> 02:49:27,760
one thing that says it's possibly h.h

4245
02:49:31,750 --> 02:49:28,560
holmes

4246
02:49:35,110 --> 02:49:31,760
is he was alive at the time but that's

4247
02:49:38,469 --> 02:49:35,120
really just about it is there any other

4248
02:49:41,349 --> 02:49:38,479
evidence that puts hh homes in white

4249
02:49:43,990 --> 02:49:41,359
chapel in 1888

4250
02:49:44,870 --> 02:49:44,000
no and there's no way that an american

4251
02:49:48,309 --> 02:49:44,880
guy

4252
02:49:50,469 --> 02:49:48,319
would be confused for a jew by a jew

4253
02:49:51,750 --> 02:49:50,479
let alone have an accomplice who was a

4254
02:49:54,070 --> 02:49:51,760
jew who would

4255
02:49:55,190 --> 02:49:54,080
who would use this sort of catchphrase

4256
02:49:58,230 --> 02:49:55,200
of lipski

4257
02:50:01,349 --> 02:49:58,240
as a sort of code word for danger

4258
02:50:03,750 --> 02:50:01,359
uh holmes barely fits the description

4259
02:50:04,550 --> 02:50:03,760
in terms of his looks but not in his

4260
02:50:07,349 --> 02:50:04,560
accent

4261
02:50:09,670 --> 02:50:07,359
an american guy would not be confused

4262
02:50:11,030 --> 02:50:09,680
for an ethnic jew by an ethnic jew let

4263
02:50:13,590 --> 02:50:11,040
alone the rest of

4264
02:50:15,269 --> 02:50:13,600
the the eyewitnesses there's nothing

4265
02:50:17,429 --> 02:50:15,279
that says that he was in england in fact

4266
02:50:21,190 --> 02:50:17,439
i i recently unearthed a picture

4267
02:50:24,389 --> 02:50:21,200
of hh homes in in poughkeepsie new york

4268
02:50:25,990 --> 02:50:24,399
during the annie chapman murder the

4269
02:50:27,510 --> 02:50:26,000
i think a day before the andy chapman

4270
02:50:29,429 --> 02:50:27,520
murder so

4271
02:50:30,950 --> 02:50:29,439
there there's there's really nothing

4272
02:50:32,710 --> 02:50:30,960
that says it was holmes

4273
02:50:35,030 --> 02:50:32,720
there's the fact that he was a killer

4274
02:50:37,429 --> 02:50:35,040
but if you even look at his mo

4275
02:50:39,030 --> 02:50:37,439
he killed for money he killed people

4276
02:50:41,110 --> 02:50:39,040
that he knew

4277
02:50:43,510 --> 02:50:41,120
he targeted people that he could cash in

4278
02:50:45,269 --> 02:50:43,520
on their insurance policies

4279
02:50:47,429 --> 02:50:45,279
now you know i'm going to say i haven't

4280
02:50:49,190 --> 02:50:47,439
done an in-depth study of everything

4281
02:50:51,429 --> 02:50:49,200
there is to know about hh homes

4282
02:50:53,190 --> 02:50:51,439
because we all summarily dismissed him

4283
02:50:55,830 --> 02:50:53,200
as a suspect after we

4284
02:50:57,830 --> 02:50:55,840
took a look at him but we knew that you

4285
02:51:00,870 --> 02:50:57,840
know he doesn't fit the profile

4286
02:51:03,190 --> 02:51:00,880
in any way shape or form except that

4287
02:51:04,309 --> 02:51:03,200
if you want to use that that police

4288
02:51:10,469 --> 02:51:04,319
sketch

4289
02:51:11,830 --> 02:51:10,479
but other than that he wasn't in england

4290
02:51:13,110 --> 02:51:11,840
there's nothing that points to the fact

4291
02:51:17,349 --> 02:51:13,120
that he was in england

4292
02:51:20,150 --> 02:51:17,359
his mo doesn't match he wasn't jewish

4293
02:51:21,349 --> 02:51:20,160
he if he did land up in england where

4294
02:51:23,830 --> 02:51:21,359
did he get

4295
02:51:25,030 --> 02:51:23,840
an accomplice to help him with these

4296
02:51:28,070 --> 02:51:25,040
other murders

4297
02:51:28,870 --> 02:51:28,080
um it just none of it adds up none of it

4298
02:51:31,510 --> 02:51:28,880
adds up it's a

4299
02:51:32,710 --> 02:51:31,520
it's a nice story although for the life

4300
02:51:35,190 --> 02:51:32,720
of me i can't figure out why

4301
02:51:36,630 --> 02:51:35,200
anyone would want to take credit for

4302
02:51:38,790 --> 02:51:36,640
being related to jack the ripper but a

4303
02:51:41,910 --> 02:51:38,800
lot of people seem to do that

4304
02:51:43,429 --> 02:51:41,920
um but in my opinion um there's just

4305
02:51:45,269 --> 02:51:43,439
there's not a leg to stand on that

4306
02:51:46,950 --> 02:51:45,279
theory has no legs to stand on

4307
02:51:48,389 --> 02:51:46,960
well there's one thing that really

4308
02:51:51,030 --> 02:51:48,399
stands out to me

4309
02:51:52,230 --> 02:51:51,040
and i'm not a professional investigator

4310
02:51:55,269 --> 02:51:52,240
or anything like that

4311
02:51:59,110 --> 02:51:55,279
but you look at h.h holmes

4312
02:52:02,309 --> 02:51:59,120
and you know uh he liked

4313
02:52:03,110 --> 02:52:02,319
killing indoors all right that was his

4314
02:52:05,830 --> 02:52:03,120
thing

4315
02:52:06,389 --> 02:52:05,840
right secret room secret passive you

4316
02:52:09,830 --> 02:52:06,399
know and

4317
02:52:10,950 --> 02:52:09,840
he killed in private he kept his stuff

4318
02:52:14,309 --> 02:52:10,960
secret

4319
02:52:16,309 --> 02:52:14,319
jack the ripper is out on the streets

4320
02:52:18,070 --> 02:52:16,319
right right all the killings except mary

4321
02:52:18,550 --> 02:52:18,080
kelly were outdoors they're all in the

4322
02:52:21,910 --> 02:52:18,560
open

4323
02:52:25,910 --> 02:52:21,920
right the opposite of uh what

4324
02:52:27,269 --> 02:52:25,920
h.h holmes uh did so why would he travel

4325
02:52:30,870 --> 02:52:27,279
to england and just

4326
02:52:33,590 --> 02:52:30,880
change his his way of life i i i

4327
02:52:36,230 --> 02:52:33,600
for no financial gain um which is his

4328
02:52:37,670 --> 02:52:36,240
primary ammo and think about this too

4329
02:52:39,670 --> 02:52:37,680
just imagine this jimmy you're an

4330
02:52:43,110 --> 02:52:39,680
american in england you stick out like a

4331
02:52:44,950 --> 02:52:43,120
sore thumb more than we do even today

4332
02:52:46,550 --> 02:52:44,960
so you're going to be an american in

4333
02:52:47,030 --> 02:52:46,560
england and you're going to be ballsy

4334
02:52:49,269 --> 02:52:47,040
enough

4335
02:52:50,309 --> 02:52:49,279
to to go out and commit murders in the

4336
02:52:52,790 --> 02:52:50,319
open

4337
02:52:55,190 --> 02:52:52,800
um in in various locations around

4338
02:52:57,910 --> 02:52:55,200
specifically white chapel

4339
02:52:59,590 --> 02:52:57,920
uh and not the rest of london like why

4340
02:53:00,950 --> 02:52:59,600
wouldn't you do it at buckingham palace

4341
02:53:03,910 --> 02:53:00,960
why wouldn't you do it at

4342
02:53:05,110 --> 02:53:03,920
um you know at claridge's hotel or

4343
02:53:07,910 --> 02:53:05,120
piccadilly you know

4344
02:53:09,190 --> 02:53:07,920
why would you choose white chapel uh for

4345
02:53:12,150 --> 02:53:09,200
all of your murders

4346
02:53:12,550 --> 02:53:12,160
the the there's a geographic profiling

4347
02:53:14,309 --> 02:53:12,560
um

4348
02:53:15,990 --> 02:53:14,319
aspect of the case there's there was an

4349
02:53:19,030 --> 02:53:16,000
fbi agent called kill

4350
02:53:19,670 --> 02:53:19,040
kim rossmo who developed this program

4351
02:53:22,710 --> 02:53:19,680
that

4352
02:53:24,469 --> 02:53:22,720
shows the serial killer's comfort zone

4353
02:53:25,750 --> 02:53:24,479
they tend to kill

4354
02:53:28,630 --> 02:53:25,760
very close to where they live where

4355
02:53:30,550 --> 02:53:28,640
they're comfortable and why would

4356
02:53:32,550 --> 02:53:30,560
why would h.h holmes suddenly feel

4357
02:53:33,349 --> 02:53:32,560
comfortable committing a series of

4358
02:53:36,469 --> 02:53:33,359
murders

4359
02:53:37,990 --> 02:53:36,479
all within this .6 mile radius it's a

4360
02:53:40,870 --> 02:53:38,000
very small area when you actually

4361
02:53:41,990 --> 02:53:40,880
go there and walk around why would he

4362
02:53:44,630 --> 02:53:42,000
feel comfortable there

4363
02:53:46,150 --> 02:53:44,640
above all places where it was a largely

4364
02:53:48,230 --> 02:53:46,160
jewish community and he would stick out

4365
02:53:51,349 --> 02:53:48,240
like a sore thumb

4366
02:53:52,710 --> 02:53:51,359
so there's just nothing to this h.h

4367
02:53:56,389 --> 02:53:52,720
holmes case that that

4368
02:53:59,670 --> 02:53:56,399
resonates with me at all now

4369
02:54:02,710 --> 02:53:59,680
uh as we uh end the night here

4370
02:54:04,309 --> 02:54:02,720
and now we we are out of town i can you

4371
02:54:06,790 --> 02:54:04,319
believe it two and a half hours just

4372
02:54:08,950 --> 02:54:06,800
like that click randy williams

4373
02:54:09,910 --> 02:54:08,960
i was just getting started i know i know

4374
02:54:12,150 --> 02:54:09,920
and and this

4375
02:54:13,510 --> 02:54:12,160
is this is where i'm going with this and

4376
02:54:16,230 --> 02:54:13,520
i know

4377
02:54:16,630 --> 02:54:16,240
that uh the audience could get a list of

4378
02:54:20,790 --> 02:54:16,640
uh

4379
02:54:23,429 --> 02:54:20,800
cases together for you but you must

4380
02:54:24,309 --> 02:54:23,439
uh have the interest of applying the

4381
02:54:27,750 --> 02:54:24,319
same

4382
02:54:30,230 --> 02:54:27,760
uh sherlock holmes methodology to other

4383
02:54:31,190 --> 02:54:30,240
unsolved cases uh have you thought about

4384
02:54:34,150 --> 02:54:31,200
that

4385
02:54:34,950 --> 02:54:34,160
oh oh yeah see i invented this sort of

4386
02:54:37,910 --> 02:54:34,960
series of

4387
02:54:39,510 --> 02:54:37,920
filters based on my knowledge of other

4388
02:54:41,030 --> 02:54:39,520
serial killings through the years that i

4389
02:54:43,110 --> 02:54:41,040
applied to the ripper case which is

4390
02:54:44,469 --> 02:54:43,120
actually how i cracked it but i have

4391
02:54:48,389 --> 02:54:44,479
this series of

4392
02:54:51,349 --> 02:54:48,399
27 filters that are weighted

4393
02:54:52,870 --> 02:54:51,359
and what i do is i take every name

4394
02:54:54,070 --> 02:54:52,880
that's associated with the case whether

4395
02:54:58,309 --> 02:54:54,080
it's a policeman

4396
02:55:00,630 --> 02:54:58,319
a witness a victim a victim's husband

4397
02:55:02,469 --> 02:55:00,640
a person who found the body you name it

4398
02:55:05,590 --> 02:55:02,479
any name that's associated with the case

4399
02:55:08,070 --> 02:55:05,600
and i drop it into filter one and

4400
02:55:09,750 --> 02:55:08,080
when when two or three or four or five

4401
02:55:10,469 --> 02:55:09,760
names drop through that filter at the

4402
02:55:13,429 --> 02:55:10,479
end

4403
02:55:14,710 --> 02:55:13,439
they are weighted they're given a weight

4404
02:55:17,269 --> 02:55:14,720
so to speak of

4405
02:55:18,389 --> 02:55:17,279
you know maybe 10 pounds or 8 pounds or

4406
02:55:20,630 --> 02:55:18,399
7 pounds

4407
02:55:22,790 --> 02:55:20,640
and then i take all of those names again

4408
02:55:25,910 --> 02:55:22,800
and i drop them through filter 2

4409
02:55:27,750 --> 02:55:25,920
and then they're given a weight and by

4410
02:55:29,429 --> 02:55:27,760
the time i've dropped all of the names

4411
02:55:31,349 --> 02:55:29,439
to 27 filters

4412
02:55:33,670 --> 02:55:31,359
i'm left with only two or three guys

4413
02:55:35,990 --> 02:55:33,680
that weigh a couple hundred pounds

4414
02:55:38,710 --> 02:55:36,000
and that's how i that's how i do it so

4415
02:55:40,870 --> 02:55:38,720
i'm quite confident that i could solve

4416
02:55:42,230 --> 02:55:40,880
a number of crimes that way because what

4417
02:55:44,710 --> 02:55:42,240
i did to test my

4418
02:55:46,389 --> 02:55:44,720
series of filters was i took cases that

4419
02:55:49,190 --> 02:55:46,399
we knew were solved

4420
02:55:49,830 --> 02:55:49,200
like uh the green river killer or or the

4421
02:55:52,389 --> 02:55:49,840
btk

4422
02:55:53,429 --> 02:55:52,399
killer or or you know you name it i did

4423
02:55:55,910 --> 02:55:53,439
a series of

4424
02:55:57,990 --> 02:55:55,920
of different crimes and pretended that i

4425
02:55:59,590 --> 02:55:58,000
didn't know the solution

4426
02:56:01,429 --> 02:55:59,600
and i just took all of the names

4427
02:56:02,070 --> 02:56:01,439
involved in the case and did my filter

4428
02:56:03,990 --> 02:56:02,080
system

4429
02:56:05,349 --> 02:56:04,000
and in every case i came up with the

4430
02:56:06,950 --> 02:56:05,359
right name

4431
02:56:09,349 --> 02:56:06,960
you know and you could argue well you

4432
02:56:10,150 --> 02:56:09,359
knew so people would say i cheated but i

4433
02:56:12,790 --> 02:56:10,160
i know in my

4434
02:56:13,910 --> 02:56:12,800
heart of hearts that i didn't cheat so i

4435
02:56:15,670 --> 02:56:13,920
know that my system

4436
02:56:18,230 --> 02:56:15,680
is very effective and could be used for

4437
02:56:21,750 --> 02:56:18,240
other unsolved cases

4438
02:56:24,790 --> 02:56:21,760
and if you were going to i'm not

4439
02:56:26,870 --> 02:56:24,800
asking you to reveal but if you were

4440
02:56:29,510 --> 02:56:26,880
going to approach another case somebody

4441
02:56:30,309 --> 02:56:29,520
just popped up in twitter i think it's a

4442
02:56:34,070 --> 02:56:30,319
great uh

4443
02:56:35,910 --> 02:56:34,080
the zodiac killer for instance

4444
02:56:37,990 --> 02:56:35,920
a friend of mine has has worked on that

4445
02:56:39,030 --> 02:56:38,000
extensively a guy called detective

4446
02:56:39,990 --> 02:56:39,040
kenneth mains

4447
02:56:42,150 --> 02:56:40,000
he's from a different part of

4448
02:56:43,670 --> 02:56:42,160
pennsylvania than me and he's got a

4449
02:56:46,309 --> 02:56:43,680
pretty compelling

4450
02:56:48,070 --> 02:56:46,319
um case built on that which is kind of

4451
02:56:50,870 --> 02:56:48,080
why i left it alone but

4452
02:56:51,910 --> 02:56:50,880
i mean i i might do that especially if

4453
02:56:53,429 --> 02:56:51,920
what i'm kind of hoping

4454
02:56:55,590 --> 02:56:53,439
especially with the exposure that you

4455
02:56:57,670 --> 02:56:55,600
gave me some years back and that you're

4456
02:56:58,550 --> 02:56:57,680
giving me today i i can never thank you

4457
02:57:00,950 --> 02:56:58,560
enough for

4458
02:57:01,670 --> 02:57:00,960
what you've done for my career jimmy for

4459
02:57:05,349 --> 02:57:01,680
reals

4460
02:57:07,190 --> 02:57:05,359
and um but if if for example

4461
02:57:09,110 --> 02:57:07,200
someone's listening to this like let's

4462
02:57:09,670 --> 02:57:09,120
say giorgio soucolos is listening i'll

4463
02:57:13,590 --> 02:57:09,680
i'll

4464
02:57:14,550 --> 02:57:13,600
was an alien and we can

4465
02:57:16,710 --> 02:57:14,560
you know kind of like the cow

4466
02:57:18,550 --> 02:57:16,720
mutilations you know that the ripper was

4467
02:57:20,790 --> 02:57:18,560
actually an alien mutilating women

4468
02:57:22,309 --> 02:57:20,800
but in any case if we if we have someone

4469
02:57:24,309 --> 02:57:22,319
listening in who

4470
02:57:25,830 --> 02:57:24,319
maybe is you know a national geographic

4471
02:57:27,670 --> 02:57:25,840
or a e or something like that and they

4472
02:57:30,870 --> 02:57:27,680
would be interested in talking to me

4473
02:57:33,429 --> 02:57:30,880
and giving me another case i mean

4474
02:57:35,510 --> 02:57:33,439
obviously i'd love to do a series on on

4475
02:57:37,030 --> 02:57:35,520
the ripper case because i think i could

4476
02:57:38,790 --> 02:57:37,040
make a very compelling case if i was

4477
02:57:42,230 --> 02:57:38,800
given enough time and

4478
02:57:44,389 --> 02:57:42,240
and uh wherewithal but yeah i could

4479
02:57:46,710 --> 02:57:44,399
absolutely work on any case that anyone

4480
02:57:48,389 --> 02:57:46,720
wanted me to work on and use my

4481
02:57:50,309 --> 02:57:48,399
my what i believe to be proven

4482
02:57:53,910 --> 02:57:50,319
methodology to solve it

4483
02:57:57,190 --> 02:57:53,920
yeah because i mean the list is long

4484
02:58:00,550 --> 02:57:57,200
right the list is long and i

4485
02:58:03,750 --> 02:58:00,560
i see it not as um

4486
02:58:04,790 --> 02:58:03,760
it's not simple to do arthur conan doyle

4487
02:58:08,070 --> 02:58:04,800
and the way that he

4488
02:58:11,190 --> 02:58:08,080
wrote and created sherlock holmes uh

4489
02:58:13,910 --> 02:58:11,200
dr watson very complex this is it's not

4490
02:58:15,030 --> 02:58:13,920
simple stuff um no he was the father of

4491
02:58:18,150 --> 02:58:15,040
modern forensic science

4492
02:58:21,110 --> 02:58:18,160
that 100 percent but if you

4493
02:58:21,590 --> 02:58:21,120
if you can get inside of sherlock's head

4494
02:58:25,429 --> 02:58:21,600
like

4495
02:58:27,190 --> 02:58:25,439
you have done and approach this uh

4496
02:58:28,550 --> 02:58:27,200
approach another case with the same

4497
02:58:31,429 --> 02:58:28,560
methodology

4498
02:58:33,510 --> 02:58:31,439
uh you could crack another case and i i

4499
02:58:35,110 --> 02:58:33,520
truly believe that

4500
02:58:36,710 --> 02:58:35,120
certainly i mean i've cracked many but

4501
02:58:37,910 --> 02:58:36,720
none of them were like high profile

4502
02:58:39,590 --> 02:58:37,920
cases like

4503
02:58:41,349 --> 02:58:39,600
you're talking about but as a detective

4504
02:58:44,230 --> 02:58:41,359
i've cracked many a case

4505
02:58:44,550 --> 02:58:44,240
and and i used the same methodology but

4506
02:58:51,590 --> 02:58:44,560
i

4507
02:58:53,429 --> 02:58:51,600
reach out randy

4508
02:58:55,030 --> 02:58:53,439
well um besides the book which you

4509
02:58:56,469 --> 02:58:55,040
mentioned uh sherlock holmes in the

4510
02:58:58,389 --> 02:58:56,479
autumn of terror

4511
02:59:00,550 --> 02:58:58,399
which is on amazon you can find me on

4512
02:59:02,790 --> 02:59:00,560
facebook i have a page for the book

4513
02:59:04,309 --> 02:59:02,800
which is called um sherlock holmes in

4514
02:59:05,110 --> 02:59:04,319
the atom of terror and i think if you

4515
02:59:07,349 --> 02:59:05,120
search

4516
02:59:09,750 --> 02:59:07,359
randy williams versus jack the ripper

4517
02:59:11,190 --> 02:59:09,760
randy williams vs jack the ripper

4518
02:59:13,269 --> 02:59:11,200
that would lead you to the pager if you

4519
02:59:14,070 --> 02:59:13,279
just search on facebook for the name of

4520
02:59:15,590 --> 02:59:14,080
the book sherlock

4521
02:59:18,230 --> 02:59:15,600
holmes and the atom of terror you'd find

4522
02:59:21,510 --> 02:59:18,240
me i'm on twitter same name

4523
02:59:24,230 --> 02:59:21,520
um you could find me on my

4524
02:59:25,429 --> 02:59:24,240
uh wing chun page randy williams kung fu

4525
02:59:26,950 --> 02:59:25,439
if you're interested at all in

4526
02:59:29,349 --> 02:59:26,960
the wing chun aspect we talked about

4527
02:59:31,349 --> 02:59:29,359
before and i also have my regular

4528
02:59:33,110 --> 02:59:31,359
facebook page randy williams which i i

4529
02:59:35,190 --> 02:59:33,120
think there's a bunch of us but

4530
02:59:36,309 --> 02:59:35,200
you you'd recognize me if you've seen my

4531
02:59:38,630 --> 02:59:36,319
picture

4532
02:59:39,590 --> 02:59:38,640
and you know just friend me and i'm i'm

4533
02:59:41,670 --> 02:59:39,600
very open to

4534
02:59:43,429 --> 02:59:41,680
chat with people and if there's somebody

4535
02:59:45,349 --> 02:59:43,439
out there who has a loved one that was

4536
02:59:48,630 --> 02:59:45,359
murdered and still unsolved

4537
02:59:50,469 --> 02:59:48,640
and they want to contract me to to to

4538
02:59:52,309 --> 02:59:50,479
figure the case out for them you know

4539
02:59:53,830 --> 02:59:52,319
i'm available i'm a private detective

4540
02:59:56,550 --> 02:59:53,840
licensed in pennsylvania

4541
02:59:57,510 --> 02:59:56,560
and i do still take cases so i'm happy

4542
02:59:59,429 --> 02:59:57,520
to do that

4543
03:00:00,950 --> 02:59:59,439
and if any of your if you know i know

4544
03:00:02,950 --> 03:00:00,960
you're very connected in the

4545
03:00:04,389 --> 03:00:02,960
media and if there's somebody out there

4546
03:00:06,870 --> 03:00:04,399
that you know an a

4547
03:00:08,389 --> 03:00:06,880
e or a national geographic type or

4548
03:00:10,550 --> 03:00:08,399
history channel type

4549
03:00:12,150 --> 03:00:10,560
person or if giorgio wants me to prove

4550
03:00:12,550 --> 03:00:12,160
that jack the ripper was an alien you

4551
03:00:14,469 --> 03:00:12,560
know

4552
03:00:16,630 --> 03:00:14,479
i'd be happy to to do that i'd love to

4553
03:00:19,110 --> 03:00:16,640
do that randy williams

4554
03:00:21,030 --> 03:00:19,120
you are the absolute best my friend i so

4555
03:00:22,469 --> 03:00:21,040
look forward to our next chat

4556
03:00:24,070 --> 03:00:22,479
we've got lots of stuff that we're

4557
03:00:27,190 --> 03:00:24,080
working on and we'll get all

4558
03:00:30,070 --> 03:00:27,200
through it and uh 2021 is going to be a

4559
03:00:31,670 --> 03:00:30,080
great year for us both thank you so much

4560
03:00:33,670 --> 03:00:31,680
i i can't thank you enough jimmy you

4561
03:00:35,910 --> 03:00:33,680
you've just really you've done so much

4562
03:00:38,710 --> 03:00:35,920
for me i can never repay you

4563
03:00:39,510 --> 03:00:38,720
thank you randy and uh do me a favor and

4564
03:00:41,910 --> 03:00:39,520
have a great

4565
03:00:43,830 --> 03:00:41,920
safe fun week ahead of you it is

4566
03:00:46,630 --> 03:00:43,840
halloween

4567
03:00:48,230 --> 03:00:46,640
it is i'm looking forward to it randy

4568
03:00:51,830 --> 03:00:48,240
dress is jack the ripper

4569
03:00:52,790 --> 03:00:51,840
no kidding right jack the elvis ripper

4570
03:00:56,710 --> 03:00:52,800
randy

4571
03:00:59,510 --> 03:00:56,720
right there

4572
03:01:01,670 --> 03:00:59,520
at uh jimmychurchradio.com you can find

4573
03:01:03,670 --> 03:01:01,680
the book right there on amazon too

4574
03:01:04,790 --> 03:01:03,680
as well i want to remind everybody

4575
03:01:08,389 --> 03:01:04,800
tomorrow night

4576
03:01:10,309 --> 03:01:08,399
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4577
03:01:11,190 --> 03:01:10,319
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4578
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4579
03:01:15,590 --> 03:01:13,359
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4580
03:01:16,950 --> 03:01:15,600
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4581
03:01:20,510 --> 03:01:16,960
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4582
03:01:21,910 --> 03:01:20,520
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4583
03:01:24,070 --> 03:01:21,920
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4584
03:01:25,830 --> 03:01:24,080
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4585
03:01:27,349 --> 03:01:25,840
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4586
03:01:29,990 --> 03:01:27,359
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4587
03:01:32,150 --> 03:01:30,000
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4588
03:01:34,469 --> 03:01:32,160
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4589
03:01:36,630 --> 03:01:34,479
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4590
03:01:38,070 --> 03:01:36,640
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4591
03:01:39,830 --> 03:01:38,080
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4592
03:01:41,670 --> 03:01:39,840
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4593
03:01:43,269 --> 03:01:41,680
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4594
03:01:45,349 --> 03:01:43,279
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4595
03:02:14,830 --> 03:01:45,359
tomorrow night i want everybody